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_emails/1992/10/01dd3338e31b454f5ddf16d8d379d36e6690381811c64d219d0f07c6a96a902b.md

@@ -52,4 +52,5 @@ Eric
 + 1992-10-19 (Mon, 19 Oct 92 02:21:17 PDT) - [one time pads.](/archive/1992/10/ed656b95f52bf63782f7b835e6ae14c1bd892422ed6422815953acd9285309f7) - _hkhenson@cup.portal.com_
   + 1992-10-19 (Mon, 19 Oct 92 08:48:48 PDT) - one time pads. - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
     + 1992-10-20 (Mon, 19 Oct 92 17:09:14 PDT) - [one time pads.](/archive/1992/10/aa4ce8970b83924042b4db610a7bd986514f98bf7dffd14a05363fce934e7c9c) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+  + 1992-10-20 (Mon, 19 Oct 92 17:08:26 PDT) - [one time pads.](/archive/1992/10/982bfab097835a0b9df7a1a47c0ff991a4eb6abe41550d202592d6b68280fe9c) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
 

_emails/1992/10/0912cceab0f80907a16858d095e21307c0dfdff0e2d5f0a591861876e6362dd6.md

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+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-21 - another service
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+To: cypherpunks@toad.com<br>
+Message Hash: 0912cceab0f80907a16858d095e21307c0dfdff0e2d5f0a591861876e6362dd6<br>
+Message ID: \<9210211713.AA11854@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+Reply To: \<9210202353.AA04723@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-21 17:13:36 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Wed, 21 Oct 92 10:13:36 PDT<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: Eric Hughes <hughes@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Date: Wed, 21 Oct 92 10:13:36 PDT
+To: cypherpunks@toad.com
+Subject: another service
+In-Reply-To: <9210202353.AA04723@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Message-ID: <9210211713.AA11854@soda.berkeley.edu>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+
+Re: digital timestamping.  Eric Hollander says:
+>Ideas?  Thoughts?
+
+Yes.  Send code.
+
+Eric
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-20 (Tue, 20 Oct 92 16:53:46 PDT) - [another service](/archive/1992/10/a213894998668de417861789fbaefe97699e97a56f87e2d3099724679904950a) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-21 (Tue, 20 Oct 92 17:15:26 PDT) - [Re: another service](/archive/1992/10/9af7c8872cb768aec4b734b169b9ed46da2eb076cd64d2c95a42ccb00e1cc245) - _tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)_
+    + 1992-10-21 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 08:23:37 PDT) - [another service](/archive/1992/10/ac30aba0379c97f7086f0925637e60e8e5248224c58ce4c9d020d91671041296) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+  + 1992-10-21 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 10:13:36 PDT) - another service - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+

_emails/1992/10/0bfa1d7d1f80cbd3ce39cc23172cc4e724e96af15fbdaf8df16e75cb89f68a9c.md

@@ -70,4 +70,5 @@ temper that with a bit of wisdom, too.
   + 1992-10-23 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 23:22:28 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/dbefe9ce00cd47ed9ef4144315bc660edb3c2704e4ded25c391ab61617053e53) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
     + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 00:28:19 PDT) - Re: Keystone - _gnu@cygnus.com_
       + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 10:27:18 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/7eafa220d02ff7674103b943a51cc62015c3bc371211bcd6d8b3a9f5e836b8a1) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 14:46:09 PDT) - [Keystone  "A provider of communications services cannot be held liable for the consequences of encrypted communications that pass though its system."](/archive/1992/10/a2b6c81aae6b0d86d24455bb1e86658ef59e178614156e7ba73b244081f58dc2) - _tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)_
 

_emails/1992/10/0e036f820010a6582fb94869cd94a029bdb96479d0b1088f2cf4b213f7bfe1ad.md

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+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-17 - one time pads
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+To: cypherpunks@toad.com<br>
+Message Hash: 0e036f820010a6582fb94869cd94a029bdb96479d0b1088f2cf4b213f7bfe1ad<br>
+Message ID: \<9210172050.AA28275@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+Reply To: \<199210150922.AA09387@well.sf.ca.us\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-17 20:51:21 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Sat, 17 Oct 92 13:51:21 PDT<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: Eric Hughes <hughes@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Date: Sat, 17 Oct 92 13:51:21 PDT
+To: cypherpunks@toad.com
+Subject: one time pads
+In-Reply-To: <199210150922.AA09387@well.sf.ca.us>
+Message-ID: <9210172050.AA28275@soda.berkeley.edu>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+
+>Again, I'm by no means trying to suggest that OTPs be considered for
+>particularly wide application.  Rather, that OTPs and a range of other
+>systems be designed, implemented, and made available so that potential users
+>can make their own informed choices.
+
+One time pad systems are expensive enough and in uncommon enough use
+that I doubt they are going to get written as free software.  I
+personally am not going to work on them, because I don't want to go
+buy the necessary hardware to generate and hold sufficient key
+material for a practical application.
+
+You also need hardware random number generators for a secure OTP
+system.  Such boxes are not readily available, or come cheap.  While
+not obvious, making random bits is a very deep problem.  See Knuth
+volume 2 for some insights.
+
+I suspect that this same argument holds for all the rest of the people
+in the group as well.  I don't know of anybody who wants to implement
+this system for themselves, given the cost involved.
+
+Cryptography is all economics, and the economics here are that one
+time pad systems are expensive enough that the software that gets
+written for them will be for in-house use or will be commercial.  In
+either case, someone is paying someone else for developing the
+software.
+
+It might be possible that there are enough people who do want this
+that there is some money for development.  A perfectly possible
+outcome is the creation of a consortium to hire some implementers who
+would make some gnu-ware.  Such organization does not exist.  Until it
+does, an off-the-shelf OTP system won't exist.
+
+Eric
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-15 (Thu, 15 Oct 92 02:23:21 PDT) - [Re: one time pads](/archive/1992/10/5d5b98b544ddca1167fefcf884fb753cc1d761f014b8e779949d089d9d8109ee) - _George A. Gleason \<gg@well.sf.ca.us\>_
+  + 1992-10-16 (Thu, 15 Oct 92 17:08:10 PDT) - [Re: one time pads](/archive/1992/10/6d1555d9ba7e7f5df99b0b1e6d959204e559a393d247f7263b6320400b221fe9) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-16 (Thu, 15 Oct 92 18:03:41 PDT) - [Re: one time pads](/archive/1992/10/12bc0f85f9a646add4c5603e08fe8e538363c6c8b9aa6e63490461eea74314a6) - _Peter Shipley \<shipley@tfs.COM\>_
+    + 1992-10-17 (Sat, 17 Oct 92 14:15:21 PDT) - [physical security](/archive/1992/10/aa53c7eb3d16e72286fbd184c013bd5ced033edc6ae0025925d8643d6f7da553) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-17 (Sat, 17 Oct 92 13:51:21 PDT) - one time pads - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+

_emails/1992/10/12bc0f85f9a646add4c5603e08fe8e538363c6c8b9aa6e63490461eea74314a6.md

@@ -67,4 +67,6 @@ PPS: I *know* that crypt is insecure but I had tared/compressed it and des
 + 1992-10-15 (Thu, 15 Oct 92 02:23:21 PDT) - [Re: one time pads](/archive/1992/10/5d5b98b544ddca1167fefcf884fb753cc1d761f014b8e779949d089d9d8109ee) - _George A. Gleason \<gg@well.sf.ca.us\>_
   + 1992-10-16 (Thu, 15 Oct 92 17:08:10 PDT) - [Re: one time pads](/archive/1992/10/6d1555d9ba7e7f5df99b0b1e6d959204e559a393d247f7263b6320400b221fe9) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
     + 1992-10-16 (Thu, 15 Oct 92 18:03:41 PDT) - Re: one time pads - _Peter Shipley \<shipley@tfs.COM\>_
+    + 1992-10-17 (Sat, 17 Oct 92 14:15:21 PDT) - [physical security](/archive/1992/10/aa53c7eb3d16e72286fbd184c013bd5ced033edc6ae0025925d8643d6f7da553) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-17 (Sat, 17 Oct 92 13:51:21 PDT) - [one time pads](/archive/1992/10/0e036f820010a6582fb94869cd94a029bdb96479d0b1088f2cf4b213f7bfe1ad) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
 

_emails/1992/10/1a8da726a35681b7e428fa4ab13615b4c14a56838290c0e372e1b02c1170142c.md

@@ -0,0 +1,59 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-16 - Re: Game items...
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: Peter Shipley \<shipley@tfs.COM\><br>
+To: Tom.Jennings@f111.n125.z1.fidonet.org (Tom Jennings)<br>
+Message Hash: 1a8da726a35681b7e428fa4ab13615b4c14a56838290c0e372e1b02c1170142c<br>
+Message ID: \<9210160119.AA06370@edev0.TFS\><br>
+Reply To: \<2962.2ADD350B@fidogate.FIDONET.ORG\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-16 01:20:15 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 18:20:15 PDT<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: Peter Shipley <shipley@tfs.COM>
+Date: Thu, 15 Oct 92 18:20:15 PDT
+To: Tom.Jennings@f111.n125.z1.fidonet.org (Tom Jennings)
+Subject: Re: Game items...
+In-Reply-To: <2962.2ADD350B@fidogate.FIDONET.ORG>
+Message-ID: <9210160119.AA06370@edev0.TFS>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+
+Tom, you did not sign the document with you pgp key, how am
+I supposted to know that Eric did not edit this in hopes of
+me having oral sex with my girlfriend?  how can I trust this is the
+real Tom.Jennings and the NutraSweet version?!?
+
+>
+>Screw this fake scenario shit, here's some real ones:
+>
+>-- Safe sex in the age of AIDS. Guess what -- oral sex is safe. Cum in
+>your mouth and stomach does not transmit HIV. *No one* is tracking
+>healthy people. There were *two* "documented" cases (none of the above
+>type) that seemed to be oral transmission of AIDS. Saying "oral sex is
+>generally safe" would amount to condoning oral sex. Fat chance in the
+>US.
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-15 (Thu, 15 Oct 92 02:10:13 PDT) - [re: Game items...](/archive/1992/10/ce279b19b49d07d1574d291311a0733a6c7c3f25ba24f44c9ebe81f8b10d6b36) - _Tom.Jennings@f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tom Jennings)_
+  + 1992-10-16 (Thu, 15 Oct 92 17:23:16 PDT) - [Re: Game items...](/archive/1992/10/23def49fd60616a55ca036b06643363d86f2e3d62e1b1ead38adbf49d8495208) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-16 (Thu, 15 Oct 92 18:20:15 PDT) - Re: Game items... - _Peter Shipley \<shipley@tfs.COM\>_
+

_emails/1992/10/1afebd35d2386ecbd3e928fbe8238aa1ae87a785db7db042acce1e283ed3cd16.md

@@ -111,4 +111,5 @@ a-priori on grounds of cost or convenience.
 
 + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 01:14:58 PDT) - Re:  one time pads - _George A. Gleason \<gg@well.sf.ca.us\>_
   + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 08:51:51 PDT) - [one time pads](/archive/1992/10/59880107a8682ff630340193de22e9bf74179cc0b1399b38c188fa4c661518f3) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 12:12:29 PDT) - [Re: one time pads](/archive/1992/10/afb26050bd8399206129b11629f8ae1d40fcbd354e77c0211037fc1e5be5a60a) - _gnu_
 

_emails/1992/10/1be047fb00ed9b8e7e62a36076bd875e747fc5da248ab50cd0ef9aff7be79589.md

@@ -81,4 +81,6 @@ Hal
 + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 08:55:18 PDT) - Re: Mr. Squirrel - _Hal \<74076.1041@CompuServe.COM\>_
   + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 10:04:24 PDT) - [Re: Mr. Squirrel](/archive/1992/10/fe748ec0459677318d9e9d5d0611919b35b8f6e096b4d2ede12008c07f006f28) - _nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Chael Hall)_
     + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 11:49:36 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel](/archive/1992/10/4449d8423a3d4ccea75be61a5bd0f1ff0f12e8a37191013726ee2d9bfc0c5fb6) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-14 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 18:58:39 PDT) - [Matching Text, Headders and Signatures with Crypto Hashes](/archive/1992/10/93c22d4a09c05464dc229bf684957f4a4020b1760fd9767649a9dc90fafe3731) - _hugh@domingo.teracons.com (Hugh Daniel)_
+  + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 11:30:35 PDT) - [Re: Mr. Squirrel](/archive/1992/10/22b5c20d41565a4f05316b622c933f2ab64bf02c1533856548bdcd6694a6ae0b) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
 

_emails/1992/10/22b5c20d41565a4f05316b622c933f2ab64bf02c1533856548bdcd6694a6ae0b.md

@@ -0,0 +1,55 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-13 - Re: Mr. Squirrel
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+To: Hal \<74076.1041@compuserve.com\><br>
+Message Hash: 22b5c20d41565a4f05316b622c933f2ab64bf02c1533856548bdcd6694a6ae0b<br>
+Message ID: \<9210131837.AA28968@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+Reply To: \<921013154244_74076.1041_DHJ92-2@CompuServe.COM\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-13 18:30:35 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 11:30:35 PDT<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: Eric Hollander <hh@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 11:30:35 PDT
+To: Hal <74076.1041@compuserve.com>
+Subject: Re: Mr. Squirrel
+In-Reply-To: <921013154244_74076.1041_DHJ92-2@CompuServe.COM>
+Message-ID: <9210131837.AA28968@soda.berkeley.edu>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+
+The most pressing thing is not to integrate encryptions in mail handlers,
+but at the level of ether.  Ether is an enormous security hole.  I can walk
+up to anything running ether with my notebook, plug in, and listen to all
+traffic.  Therefore, ether cards need public key encryption built in, so
+they can communicate with eachother in a secure way.  This also applies to
+all other low level protocols.
+
+e
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 08:55:18 PDT) - [Re: Mr. Squirrel](/archive/1992/10/1be047fb00ed9b8e7e62a36076bd875e747fc5da248ab50cd0ef9aff7be79589) - _Hal \<74076.1041@CompuServe.COM\>_
+  + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 10:04:24 PDT) - [Re: Mr. Squirrel](/archive/1992/10/fe748ec0459677318d9e9d5d0611919b35b8f6e096b4d2ede12008c07f006f28) - _nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Chael Hall)_
+    + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 11:49:36 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel](/archive/1992/10/4449d8423a3d4ccea75be61a5bd0f1ff0f12e8a37191013726ee2d9bfc0c5fb6) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-14 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 18:58:39 PDT) - [Matching Text, Headders and Signatures with Crypto Hashes](/archive/1992/10/93c22d4a09c05464dc229bf684957f4a4020b1760fd9767649a9dc90fafe3731) - _hugh@domingo.teracons.com (Hugh Daniel)_
+  + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 11:30:35 PDT) - Re: Mr. Squirrel - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+

_emails/1992/10/23def49fd60616a55ca036b06643363d86f2e3d62e1b1ead38adbf49d8495208.md

@@ -59,4 +59,5 @@ e
 
 + 1992-10-15 (Thu, 15 Oct 92 02:10:13 PDT) - [re: Game items...](/archive/1992/10/ce279b19b49d07d1574d291311a0733a6c7c3f25ba24f44c9ebe81f8b10d6b36) - _Tom.Jennings@f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tom Jennings)_
   + 1992-10-16 (Thu, 15 Oct 92 17:23:16 PDT) - Re: Game items... - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-16 (Thu, 15 Oct 92 18:20:15 PDT) - [Re: Game items...](/archive/1992/10/1a8da726a35681b7e428fa4ab13615b4c14a56838290c0e372e1b02c1170142c) - _Peter Shipley \<shipley@tfs.COM\>_
 

_emails/1992/10/2414b4e9749952e702f40e3ab08b5c8c4f13ba6c41f4fd2ddcc01ba85e3079c8.md

@@ -56,4 +56,11 @@ GNU Support          ICBM: 39 34N 85 15W I love it when a plan comes together
 + 1992-10-22 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 22:35:21 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/4b028509a502332d7eb20d667f19c0822f161f636956254fb21a228f7050899b) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
   + 1992-10-22 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 23:35:44 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/fb6cd513252375d40032e5c92dc6f0e2a944525554d20788331d097d9233143d) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
     + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 10:09:30 PDT) - Re: Keystone - _sdw@meaddata.com (Stephen Williams)_
+    + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 13:35:59 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/84e2351d6648c687f5fec6b608e7de0cb065e212c57d655a4d704bf712f6ed8d) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+      + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 14:13:15 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/8722e10812e0640b12e0982471a88ec752fbd3c1119f6bd6e18c8da3d9ff658f) - _bill@anubis.network.com (Bill O'Hanlon)_
+        + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 12:41:02 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/ad793169286427eaacdc821427e6851f41137b304461302d20d0f1f5eba86bf9) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+      + 1992-10-27 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 01:31:25 PPE) - [Re: D-H telnet protocol  *  Cheap secure phones](/archive/1992/10/c2cc2d444b77b30f6b971e53288a50ce203533a134605fb11a06df58bce19331) - _gnu_
+        + 1992-10-27 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 09:08:54 PPE) - [D-H telnet protocol  *  Cheap secure phones](/archive/1992/10/49acbc13ba3cc632670f4cfc79f4b01f3a64e013ad7c1e32eaa0d42f982870c7) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+          + 1992-10-28 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 19:17:46 PPE) - [Re: D-H telnet protocol](/archive/1992/10/2f6194f732940b4af3a69ef751c2643975218d68c9c25f821f3d8d76e9469fa3) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+            + 1992-10-28 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 22:34:58 PPE) - [D-H telnet protocol](/archive/1992/10/29ac1f104c220261d26e5f49f7ec33a8b3ef685752880c3fb0dc3b4c1d71aca1) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
 

_emails/1992/10/298d86c630be7b06958a77a0e2a93e61224cded16c21ee64acb6bc0f39e9ecfd.md

@@ -58,4 +58,6 @@ dean
     + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 14:42:19 PDT) - BBS E-mail policy Now see if this number is in one of the following ranges: - _tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)_
       + 1992-10-24 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 23:20:44 PDT) - [entropy measures](/archive/1992/10/3c38d48ebe6788447fca198f92d44a9ffa68121b79032804da9a7944dc97d602) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
         + 1992-10-26 (Sun, 25 Oct 92 21:41:19 PPE) - [Re: entropy measures](/archive/1992/10/b71072e5de22f0ee2513a7bc057b82b39ad7284a70bf4913906340f5c39b27b3) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-26 (Sun, 25 Oct 92 21:29:49 PPE) - [Re: BBS E-mail policy](/archive/1992/10/fbe83ff79794f109159e298eb88fce410a7847d43b87f0d6426ef33b4884b280) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+      + 1992-10-26 (Mon, 26 Oct 92 08:55:04 PPE) - [entropy](/archive/1992/10/9d4dcb1012b41fda6c8f80cb56a7f2aa2e3b85fc1658466140b482591f39088b) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
 

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@@ -0,0 +1,68 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-28 - D-H telnet protocol
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)<br>
+To: gnu@cygnus.com<br>
+Message Hash: 29ac1f104c220261d26e5f49f7ec33a8b3ef685752880c3fb0dc3b4c1d71aca1<br>
+Message ID: \<9210280519.AA17075@newsu.shearson.com\><br>
+Reply To: \<9210280200.AA24003@cygnus.com\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-28 05:34:58 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 22:34:58 PPE<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)
+Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 22:34:58 PPE
+To: gnu@cygnus.com
+Subject: D-H telnet protocol
+In-Reply-To: <9210280200.AA24003@cygnus.com>
+Message-ID: <9210280519.AA17075@newsu.shearson.com>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+>From: gnu@cygnus.com
+
+>As I said before, you're free to take what I come up with and add
+>authentication.  But stop berating me in public for doing something
+>to further the use of cryptography.
+
+I'm not berating. I'm just suggesting.
+
+I understand your reasoning about not wanting users to need to do any
+administration, and I also understand your desire to do something good
+for the crypto community. I will not argue that its a bad thing. The
+only provisio I make is that it is SO easy to spoof exponential key
+exchange that I'd argue that providing authentication is crucial if
+people aren't going to be lulled into a false sense of security.
+
+Perry
+
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-22 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 22:35:21 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/4b028509a502332d7eb20d667f19c0822f161f636956254fb21a228f7050899b) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-22 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 23:35:44 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/fb6cd513252375d40032e5c92dc6f0e2a944525554d20788331d097d9233143d) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+    + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 10:09:30 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/2414b4e9749952e702f40e3ab08b5c8c4f13ba6c41f4fd2ddcc01ba85e3079c8) - _sdw@meaddata.com (Stephen Williams)_
+    + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 13:35:59 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/84e2351d6648c687f5fec6b608e7de0cb065e212c57d655a4d704bf712f6ed8d) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+      + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 14:13:15 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/8722e10812e0640b12e0982471a88ec752fbd3c1119f6bd6e18c8da3d9ff658f) - _bill@anubis.network.com (Bill O'Hanlon)_
+        + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 12:41:02 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/ad793169286427eaacdc821427e6851f41137b304461302d20d0f1f5eba86bf9) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+      + 1992-10-27 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 01:31:25 PPE) - [Re: D-H telnet protocol  *  Cheap secure phones](/archive/1992/10/c2cc2d444b77b30f6b971e53288a50ce203533a134605fb11a06df58bce19331) - _gnu_
+        + 1992-10-27 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 09:08:54 PPE) - [D-H telnet protocol  *  Cheap secure phones](/archive/1992/10/49acbc13ba3cc632670f4cfc79f4b01f3a64e013ad7c1e32eaa0d42f982870c7) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+          + 1992-10-28 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 19:17:46 PPE) - [Re: D-H telnet protocol](/archive/1992/10/2f6194f732940b4af3a69ef751c2643975218d68c9c25f821f3d8d76e9469fa3) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+            + 1992-10-28 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 22:34:58 PPE) - D-H telnet protocol - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+

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@@ -0,0 +1,85 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-28 - Re: D-H telnet protocol
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: gnu@cygnus.com<br>
+To: cypherpunks@toad.com<br>
+Message Hash: 2f6194f732940b4af3a69ef751c2643975218d68c9c25f821f3d8d76e9469fa3<br>
+Message ID: \<9210280200.AA24003@cygnus.com\><br>
+Reply To: \<9210271539.AA05477@newsu.shearson.com\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-28 02:17:46 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 19:17:46 PPE<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: gnu@cygnus.com
+Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 19:17:46 PPE
+To: cypherpunks@toad.com
+Subject: Re: D-H telnet protocol
+In-Reply-To: <9210271539.AA05477@newsu.shearson.com>
+Message-ID: <9210280200.AA24003@cygnus.com>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+> Why should "hard" be that much more difficult? Looks like an extra few
+> days worth of work if you pull all the public key code from PGP.
+
+The project as I plan it, would require no administration on the part
+of users.  Install and forget.  If you add authentication, then
+end-users have keys to deal with, on an ongoing basis.
+
+As I said before, you're free to take what I come up with and add
+authentication.  But stop berating me in public for doing something
+to further the use of cryptography.
+
+> 				This whole project is a humungous
+> patent violation anyway, so there is no good reason for not stealing
+> code from PGP.
+
+You have made two bad assumptions here.  I do not intend to violate
+any patents, nor do I intend to steal code from PGP.  I'll be glad to
+talk in private about what is happening, but it is not ready for
+public discussion yet.
+
+> All you have to do in order to "fix" things is have both sides public
+> key encrypt their D-H exchanges, and suddenly, you have verification
+> of identity.
+
+This is not true.  I have a preprint of a paper by Whit Diffie that
+explains how to weave D-H and RSA together so that you can't accept
+the authentication but be spoofed on the key exchange, or vice verse.
+It starts with a simple protocol as described above.  Known attacks
+are explained and the protocol is modified to deal with them.  The
+result is now in use in commercial products (secure phones).  It's not
+as simple as it looks.
+
+	John Gilmore
+
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-22 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 22:35:21 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/4b028509a502332d7eb20d667f19c0822f161f636956254fb21a228f7050899b) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-22 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 23:35:44 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/fb6cd513252375d40032e5c92dc6f0e2a944525554d20788331d097d9233143d) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+    + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 10:09:30 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/2414b4e9749952e702f40e3ab08b5c8c4f13ba6c41f4fd2ddcc01ba85e3079c8) - _sdw@meaddata.com (Stephen Williams)_
+    + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 13:35:59 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/84e2351d6648c687f5fec6b608e7de0cb065e212c57d655a4d704bf712f6ed8d) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+      + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 14:13:15 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/8722e10812e0640b12e0982471a88ec752fbd3c1119f6bd6e18c8da3d9ff658f) - _bill@anubis.network.com (Bill O'Hanlon)_
+        + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 12:41:02 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/ad793169286427eaacdc821427e6851f41137b304461302d20d0f1f5eba86bf9) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+      + 1992-10-27 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 01:31:25 PPE) - [Re: D-H telnet protocol  *  Cheap secure phones](/archive/1992/10/c2cc2d444b77b30f6b971e53288a50ce203533a134605fb11a06df58bce19331) - _gnu_
+        + 1992-10-27 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 09:08:54 PPE) - [D-H telnet protocol  *  Cheap secure phones](/archive/1992/10/49acbc13ba3cc632670f4cfc79f4b01f3a64e013ad7c1e32eaa0d42f982870c7) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+          + 1992-10-28 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 19:17:46 PPE) - Re: D-H telnet protocol - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+            + 1992-10-28 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 22:34:58 PPE) - [D-H telnet protocol](/archive/1992/10/29ac1f104c220261d26e5f49f7ec33a8b3ef685752880c3fb0dc3b4c1d71aca1) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+

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@@ -47,4 +47,5 @@ Shawn
 
 + 1992-10-25 (Sat, 24 Oct 92 20:33:12 PDT) - pgp key distribution - _shawnb \<shawnb@ecst.csuchico.edu\>_
   + 1992-10-25 (Sat, 24 Oct 92 20:54:34 PDT) - [Re: pgp key distribution](/archive/1992/10/8848ce1351a4a5cbb0fed3d61c2af59d18118d66c467fc4a93e9b9b4c9f36503) - _Peter Shipley \<shipley@tfs.COM\>_
+  + 1992-10-25 (Sat, 24 Oct 92 22:03:00 PDT) - [pgp key distribution](/archive/1992/10/4137e49f0498a0f7b4545f98b63676470d62c8318ad13ae908b9ef1fe5f2f4e5) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
 

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@@ -0,0 +1,84 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-07 - Nuts & Acorns
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+To: cypherpunks@toad.com<br>
+Message Hash: 36549a224c5be99ea489ee28dda78530ba2e60dbae3d82a985c6fcc46cd522f2<br>
+Message ID: \<9210070137.AA15880@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+Reply To: \<9210062244.AA07304@newsu.shearson.com\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-07 01:30:07 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 18:30:07 PDT<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: Eric Hughes <hughes@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 18:30:07 PDT
+To: cypherpunks@toad.com
+Subject: Nuts & Acorns
+In-Reply-To: <9210062244.AA07304@newsu.shearson.com>
+Message-ID: <9210070137.AA15880@soda.berkeley.edu>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+
+Perry:
+
+>This does mean that a lot of the time until people have built up
+>catenative assembleges of keys sufficent to form a "chain of trust"
+>for unknown people that they will simply have to do without
+>certification of the other person's identity. Isn't that the way life
+>usually is, though?
+
+In large part the electronic environment is already pseudonymous.  I
+don't know most Usenet posters personally and never will.  I have no
+need to personally verify their identities; in fact, I don't even want
+to.
+
+But for someone I'm going to deal with over a period of time, I do
+want to make sure that it's the same person I'm dealing with each
+time.  And if I never happen to meet this person face to face, or need
+to know anything about this person as a physical being, so be it.  All
+I really care about is persistence, not identity.
+
+In the elctronic world, all you have are persistent pseudonyms.  Most
+of them, true, are still linked to physical people, but there is no
+particular reason why that need continue.
+
+I think the changeover point will be this.  As soon as there is money
+flowing through the networks which is tied only to pseudonyms and not
+to physical people, then you'll see a _lot_ more virtual-only
+identities.  When you can conduct business and get paid for it,
+there's a big difference.  When some of your data has negotiable cash
+value, you'll see privacy and security get *important*.
+
+And most of these identities will have regular sounding names.
+Handles, a la the underground, are more a mark of social identity than
+of anonymity.  The best camouflage is not to draw attention to
+yourself.  When most of the world is personal, look personal.  Who
+will ever know?
+
+Eric
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-06 (Tue, 6 Oct 92 15:11:44 PDT) - [re: Nuts & Acorns](/archive/1992/10/3fd0e544238de7181d76d863b77743d4ae1d3dc88e4eaee330999abcb62314cc) - _Tom.Jennings@f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tom Jennings)_
+  + 1992-10-06 (Tue, 6 Oct 92 15:59:23 PDT) - [Nuts & Acorns](/archive/1992/10/b106cdc1eb583bff16fa9268f26e98be158ce990a6bbf7894c7c2074f047ea51) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+    + 1992-10-07 (Tue, 6 Oct 92 17:44:27 PDT) - [Nuts & Acorns](/archive/1992/10/f15e5fceb881331d0abfe3e479ccbe1aaa0955f01737edfcbcb97a68f27288e8) - _tribble@xanadu.com_
+    + 1992-10-07 (Tue, 6 Oct 92 18:30:07 PDT) - Nuts & Acorns - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+      + 1992-10-07 (Tue, 6 Oct 92 22:34:13 PDT) - [Re: Nuts & Acorns](/archive/1992/10/a3549267c7685449f179c32000954d1cbe807bbff091a6b3fad08c732f3d8fcd) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+

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@@ -0,0 +1,62 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-25 - multiple message destinations
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)<br>
+To: tribble@xanadu.com<br>
+Message Hash: 3c0b89761b1e93b00c3291ea3746200f0ab0e7b9873b929b14418acaffd7958c<br>
+Message ID: \<9210250201.AA07719@newsu.shearson.com\><br>
+Reply To: \<9210231806.AA12129@xanadu.xanadu.com\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-25 02:34:56 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Sat, 24 Oct 92 19:34:56 PDT<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)
+Date: Sat, 24 Oct 92 19:34:56 PDT
+To: tribble@xanadu.com
+Subject: multiple message destinations
+In-Reply-To: <9210231806.AA12129@xanadu.xanadu.com>
+Message-ID: <9210250201.AA07719@newsu.shearson.com>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+>From: tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)
+
+>Mail typically wants to get sent to multiple receivers, all with
+>different private keys.  I vaguely recall that the way PGP works is it
+>generates a symetric cypher key and encrypts the message with that,
+>then encrypts the generated key with the public key of the intended
+>receiver.   Is that how it works?
+
+>Given that, it should be straightforward (and maybe it already does)
+>encrypt the generated key with several public keys so you get one
+>package that can be unsealed by any of several different receivers.
+
+Yes, that should work. PGP doesn't do it, but it would be
+straightforward to change it so it could.
+
+Perry
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 14:41:59 PDT) - [multiple message destinations](/archive/1992/10/9f9b86e3565a8dd49ce4497e2446b110ef99c335d5756437d03c3b8e68ad1d62) - _tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)_
+  + 1992-10-24 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 23:27:22 PDT) - [multiple message destinations](/archive/1992/10/cfed7a111fb65e52097c55e2ea241c10fdb3bcd320dc7febef3af4197e8d3fb0) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-24 (Sat, 24 Oct 92 02:31:19 PDT) - [multiple message destinations](/archive/1992/10/8de813733f4767b35683f1b680f8fdb5fd2a9f279f4c87fc9d9444001b7eb551) - _tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)_
+      + 1992-10-24 (Sat, 24 Oct 92 09:24:30 PDT) - [multiple message destinations](/archive/1992/10/b19a4e7de5587cdd9b020544e3ec69f78d61bdb5f100b3328b4e5795df3d237b) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-25 (Sat, 24 Oct 92 19:34:56 PDT) - multiple message destinations - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+

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@@ -63,4 +63,6 @@ Eric
     + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 14:42:19 PDT) - [BBS E-mail policy Now see if this number is in one of the following ranges:](/archive/1992/10/298d86c630be7b06958a77a0e2a93e61224cded16c21ee64acb6bc0f39e9ecfd) - _tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)_
       + 1992-10-24 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 23:20:44 PDT) - entropy measures - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
         + 1992-10-26 (Sun, 25 Oct 92 21:41:19 PPE) - [Re: entropy measures](/archive/1992/10/b71072e5de22f0ee2513a7bc057b82b39ad7284a70bf4913906340f5c39b27b3) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-26 (Sun, 25 Oct 92 21:29:49 PPE) - [Re: BBS E-mail policy](/archive/1992/10/fbe83ff79794f109159e298eb88fce410a7847d43b87f0d6426ef33b4884b280) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+      + 1992-10-26 (Mon, 26 Oct 92 08:55:04 PPE) - [entropy](/archive/1992/10/9d4dcb1012b41fda6c8f80cb56a7f2aa2e3b85fc1658466140b482591f39088b) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
 

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@@ -76,4 +76,6 @@ INTERNET: Tom.Jennings@f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG
 + 1992-10-06 (Tue, 6 Oct 92 15:11:44 PDT) - re: Nuts & Acorns - _Tom.Jennings@f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tom Jennings)_
   + 1992-10-06 (Tue, 6 Oct 92 15:59:23 PDT) - [Nuts & Acorns](/archive/1992/10/b106cdc1eb583bff16fa9268f26e98be158ce990a6bbf7894c7c2074f047ea51) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
     + 1992-10-07 (Tue, 6 Oct 92 17:44:27 PDT) - [Nuts & Acorns](/archive/1992/10/f15e5fceb881331d0abfe3e479ccbe1aaa0955f01737edfcbcb97a68f27288e8) - _tribble@xanadu.com_
+    + 1992-10-07 (Tue, 6 Oct 92 18:30:07 PDT) - [Nuts & Acorns](/archive/1992/10/36549a224c5be99ea489ee28dda78530ba2e60dbae3d82a985c6fcc46cd522f2) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+      + 1992-10-07 (Tue, 6 Oct 92 22:34:13 PDT) - [Re: Nuts & Acorns](/archive/1992/10/a3549267c7685449f179c32000954d1cbe807bbff091a6b3fad08c732f3d8fcd) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
 

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@@ -0,0 +1,64 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-25 - pgp key distribution
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)<br>
+To: shawnb@ecst.csuchico.edu<br>
+Message Hash: 4137e49f0498a0f7b4545f98b63676470d62c8318ad13ae908b9ef1fe5f2f4e5<br>
+Message ID: \<9210250427.AA08570@newsu.shearson.com\><br>
+Reply To: \<9210250333.AA11925@toad.com\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-25 05:03:00 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Sat, 24 Oct 92 22:03:00 PDT<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)
+Date: Sat, 24 Oct 92 22:03:00 PDT
+To: shawnb@ecst.csuchico.edu
+Subject: pgp key distribution
+In-Reply-To: <9210250333.AA11925@toad.com>
+Message-ID: <9210250427.AA08570@newsu.shearson.com>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+>From: shawnb <shawnb@ecst.csuchico.edu>
+
+>I'm pretty new to this mailing list, so something along these lines may
+>have already been proposed, but I was considering the possibility of
+>putting together a list of pgp public keys for distribution through this
+>list.  My own collection of keys is pretty small, and I would pernally 
+>like to expand this, but I think this would provide a great service to the
+>group as well.  Let me know what you all think.
+
+I keep seeing people propose things like this, and I can't for the
+life of me understand why. The only way to know for sure that
+someone's key is theirs is a signature from a trusted introducer
+anyway, so people can just ask each other in clear for public keys and
+it doesn't do a lick of harm -- if they have a trusted signature, you
+can use their key for communication and if they don't, you have to
+find another way to verify the key.  People making lists of keys and
+distributing them seems fairly useless to me. Can anyone tell me if I
+am being really really thick here?
+
+Perry
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-25 (Sat, 24 Oct 92 20:33:12 PDT) - [pgp key distribution](/archive/1992/10/34602500d479303d1a7a304cabde762a9624b8b46feca41333e5d7a3bc26d4f9) - _shawnb \<shawnb@ecst.csuchico.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-25 (Sat, 24 Oct 92 20:54:34 PDT) - [Re: pgp key distribution](/archive/1992/10/8848ce1351a4a5cbb0fed3d61c2af59d18118d66c467fc4a93e9b9b4c9f36503) - _Peter Shipley \<shipley@tfs.COM\>_
+  + 1992-10-25 (Sat, 24 Oct 92 22:03:00 PDT) - pgp key distribution - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+

_emails/1992/10/4449d8423a3d4ccea75be61a5bd0f1ff0f12e8a37191013726ee2d9bfc0c5fb6.md

@@ -50,4 +50,6 @@ Eric
 + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 08:55:18 PDT) - [Re: Mr. Squirrel](/archive/1992/10/1be047fb00ed9b8e7e62a36076bd875e747fc5da248ab50cd0ef9aff7be79589) - _Hal \<74076.1041@CompuServe.COM\>_
   + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 10:04:24 PDT) - [Re: Mr. Squirrel](/archive/1992/10/fe748ec0459677318d9e9d5d0611919b35b8f6e096b4d2ede12008c07f006f28) - _nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Chael Hall)_
     + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 11:49:36 PDT) - Mr. Squirrel - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-14 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 18:58:39 PDT) - [Matching Text, Headders and Signatures with Crypto Hashes](/archive/1992/10/93c22d4a09c05464dc229bf684957f4a4020b1760fd9767649a9dc90fafe3731) - _hugh@domingo.teracons.com (Hugh Daniel)_
+  + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 11:30:35 PDT) - [Re: Mr. Squirrel](/archive/1992/10/22b5c20d41565a4f05316b622c933f2ab64bf02c1533856548bdcd6694a6ae0b) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
 

_emails/1992/10/49acbc13ba3cc632670f4cfc79f4b01f3a64e013ad7c1e32eaa0d42f982870c7.md

@@ -0,0 +1,105 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-27 - D-H telnet protocol  *  Cheap secure phones
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)<br>
+To: gnu@toad.com<br>
+Message Hash: 49acbc13ba3cc632670f4cfc79f4b01f3a64e013ad7c1e32eaa0d42f982870c7<br>
+Message ID: \<9210271539.AA05477@newsu.shearson.com\><br>
+Reply To: \<9210270831.AA29372@toad.com\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-27 16:08:54 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 09:08:54 PPE<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)
+Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 09:08:54 PPE
+To: gnu@toad.com
+Subject: D-H telnet protocol  *  Cheap secure phones
+In-Reply-To: <9210270831.AA29372@toad.com>
+Message-ID: <9210271539.AA05477@newsu.shearson.com>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+>From: gnu@toad.com
+
+>> >					(It doesn't protect against
+>> >active re-routing of the call, e.g. by substituting another machine
+>> >for the BBS, but we could work on that as Phase II.)
+>> I would suggest that it be done during phase one. Spoofing attacks are
+>> very important things to guard against, ...
+
+>Fine, Perry.  You do it.  I want to get some "easy" protection out
+>there now.  Easy often turns out to be six months of work all by itself.
+
+Why should "hard" be that much more difficult? Looks like an extra few
+days worth of work if you pull all the public key code from PGP.
+Admittedly, this would be a big project if one couldn't steal existinc
+dode, but remember, PGP is copyleft. This whole project is a humungous
+patent violation anyway, so there is no good reason for not stealing
+code from PGP. Phil's code is bloody good.
+
+Anyway, the "easy" protection is probably the "hardest" part. Getting
+the encrypted link and drivers running properly is the big deal --
+thats the code that will take all the time. Its likely marginal cost
+to design the protocol "right" from the beginning to make it easy to
+plug in verification later, and being able to use existing public key
+code to implement it likely removes most of the sting.
+
+All you have to do in order to "fix" things is have both sides public
+key encrypt their D-H exchanges, and suddenly, you have verification
+of identity.
+
+>> suggest that the protocol be designed so that it does not reveal the
+>> entities forming the link to outsiders (unless one end should
+>> intentionally advertise who it is...
+
+>This is the intent.  The D-H protocol will not reveal any identifying
+>information, and the rest of what is transacted will be protected under
+>the secret key produced by the D-H protocol.
+
+Ah, but if you want to add in a verification layer, you have to be
+careful to make sure that you don't reveal too much information in
+doing the verification.
+
+>> I am very interested in seeing such a protocol standardized because I
+>> have another use for it -- secure telephones. Given modern DSPs to do
+>> and cheap V.32bis modems, excellent secure voice communications are
+>> feasable.
+
+>There's a "CELP" standard for voice encoding which you can get from
+>the Feds.
+
+Well aware of it; I've got sample source code for CELP and all the
+rest.  However, having a standardized bunch of software for encrypting
+the link will mean that I have that much less to worry about.
+
+Perry
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-22 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 22:35:21 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/4b028509a502332d7eb20d667f19c0822f161f636956254fb21a228f7050899b) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-22 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 23:35:44 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/fb6cd513252375d40032e5c92dc6f0e2a944525554d20788331d097d9233143d) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+    + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 10:09:30 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/2414b4e9749952e702f40e3ab08b5c8c4f13ba6c41f4fd2ddcc01ba85e3079c8) - _sdw@meaddata.com (Stephen Williams)_
+    + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 13:35:59 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/84e2351d6648c687f5fec6b608e7de0cb065e212c57d655a4d704bf712f6ed8d) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+      + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 14:13:15 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/8722e10812e0640b12e0982471a88ec752fbd3c1119f6bd6e18c8da3d9ff658f) - _bill@anubis.network.com (Bill O'Hanlon)_
+        + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 12:41:02 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/ad793169286427eaacdc821427e6851f41137b304461302d20d0f1f5eba86bf9) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+      + 1992-10-27 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 01:31:25 PPE) - [Re: D-H telnet protocol  *  Cheap secure phones](/archive/1992/10/c2cc2d444b77b30f6b971e53288a50ce203533a134605fb11a06df58bce19331) - _gnu_
+        + 1992-10-27 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 09:08:54 PPE) - D-H telnet protocol  *  Cheap secure phones - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+          + 1992-10-28 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 19:17:46 PPE) - [Re: D-H telnet protocol](/archive/1992/10/2f6194f732940b4af3a69ef751c2643975218d68c9c25f821f3d8d76e9469fa3) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+            + 1992-10-28 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 22:34:58 PPE) - [D-H telnet protocol](/archive/1992/10/29ac1f104c220261d26e5f49f7ec33a8b3ef685752880c3fb0dc3b4c1d71aca1) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+

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@@ -62,4 +62,11 @@ Eric
 + 1992-10-22 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 22:35:21 PDT) - Keystone - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
   + 1992-10-22 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 23:35:44 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/fb6cd513252375d40032e5c92dc6f0e2a944525554d20788331d097d9233143d) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
     + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 10:09:30 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/2414b4e9749952e702f40e3ab08b5c8c4f13ba6c41f4fd2ddcc01ba85e3079c8) - _sdw@meaddata.com (Stephen Williams)_
+    + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 13:35:59 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/84e2351d6648c687f5fec6b608e7de0cb065e212c57d655a4d704bf712f6ed8d) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+      + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 14:13:15 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/8722e10812e0640b12e0982471a88ec752fbd3c1119f6bd6e18c8da3d9ff658f) - _bill@anubis.network.com (Bill O'Hanlon)_
+        + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 12:41:02 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/ad793169286427eaacdc821427e6851f41137b304461302d20d0f1f5eba86bf9) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+      + 1992-10-27 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 01:31:25 PPE) - [Re: D-H telnet protocol  *  Cheap secure phones](/archive/1992/10/c2cc2d444b77b30f6b971e53288a50ce203533a134605fb11a06df58bce19331) - _gnu_
+        + 1992-10-27 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 09:08:54 PPE) - [D-H telnet protocol  *  Cheap secure phones](/archive/1992/10/49acbc13ba3cc632670f4cfc79f4b01f3a64e013ad7c1e32eaa0d42f982870c7) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+          + 1992-10-28 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 19:17:46 PPE) - [Re: D-H telnet protocol](/archive/1992/10/2f6194f732940b4af3a69ef751c2643975218d68c9c25f821f3d8d76e9469fa3) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+            + 1992-10-28 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 22:34:58 PPE) - [D-H telnet protocol](/archive/1992/10/29ac1f104c220261d26e5f49f7ec33a8b3ef685752880c3fb0dc3b4c1d71aca1) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
 

_emails/1992/10/4c67e79a2ec7344d27550db884c628f037f2077d684ba8190ca763a77730d2bc.md

@@ -62,4 +62,8 @@ the extra work that gets them little advantage.
 + 1992-10-10 (Sat, 10 Oct 92 11:04:58 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel?](/archive/1992/10/a7deae21289e64af8c4c457307bdf1c62cbeb469f75b1613a3ed1a9dfa73b939) - _Hal \<74076.1041@CompuServe.COM\>_
   + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 05:02:06 PDT) - Mr. Squirrel?  Just who is whom here? - _hugh@domingo.teracons.com (Hugh Daniel)_
     + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 08:58:32 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel?  Just who is whom here?](/archive/1992/10/b522b87517a2d84b579f40e313b2fa857de956c060f703f320fd96498bfcfd60) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+    + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 09:03:14 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel?  Just who is who here?](/archive/1992/10/a529ffcb0e842a6e9c06a5383ffcccf371e0f82990315ad61805d7f2c4e8c9d1) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 09:15:29 PDT) - [Mail headers](/archive/1992/10/fd8673bdc1ee18f17aa79922a2e2a46b093d0152017946f6c015599da76f42d6) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+      + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 10:53:19 PDT) - [Re: Mail headers](/archive/1992/10/c0dd210fad292f455520dacfda62fa94ee3cdbbe0779073489342f687a164bea) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+        + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 13:25:13 PDT) - [Mail headers](/archive/1992/10/85bf1b529ac7f0ed67423c59c35efc0036b3344f95a66287da6187b21deec4c8) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
 

_emails/1992/10/59880107a8682ff630340193de22e9bf74179cc0b1399b38c188fa4c661518f3.md

@@ -82,4 +82,5 @@ Eric
 
 + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 01:14:58 PDT) - [Re:  one time pads](/archive/1992/10/1afebd35d2386ecbd3e928fbe8238aa1ae87a785db7db042acce1e283ed3cd16) - _George A. Gleason \<gg@well.sf.ca.us\>_
   + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 08:51:51 PDT) - one time pads - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 12:12:29 PDT) - [Re: one time pads](/archive/1992/10/afb26050bd8399206129b11629f8ae1d40fcbd354e77c0211037fc1e5be5a60a) - _gnu_
 

_emails/1992/10/5d5b98b544ddca1167fefcf884fb753cc1d761f014b8e779949d089d9d8109ee.md

@@ -58,4 +58,6 @@ can make their own informed choices.
 + 1992-10-15 (Thu, 15 Oct 92 02:23:21 PDT) - Re: one time pads - _George A. Gleason \<gg@well.sf.ca.us\>_
   + 1992-10-16 (Thu, 15 Oct 92 17:08:10 PDT) - [Re: one time pads](/archive/1992/10/6d1555d9ba7e7f5df99b0b1e6d959204e559a393d247f7263b6320400b221fe9) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
     + 1992-10-16 (Thu, 15 Oct 92 18:03:41 PDT) - [Re: one time pads](/archive/1992/10/12bc0f85f9a646add4c5603e08fe8e538363c6c8b9aa6e63490461eea74314a6) - _Peter Shipley \<shipley@tfs.COM\>_
+    + 1992-10-17 (Sat, 17 Oct 92 14:15:21 PDT) - [physical security](/archive/1992/10/aa53c7eb3d16e72286fbd184c013bd5ced033edc6ae0025925d8643d6f7da553) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-17 (Sat, 17 Oct 92 13:51:21 PDT) - [one time pads](/archive/1992/10/0e036f820010a6582fb94869cd94a029bdb96479d0b1088f2cf4b213f7bfe1ad) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
 

_emails/1992/10/603fca9ce668d8dbe8a45948b9a40576c4322d997903e58a90b3fa878a8bf011.md

@@ -0,0 +1,62 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-05 - Mail headers
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+To: cypherpunks@toad.com<br>
+Message Hash: 603fca9ce668d8dbe8a45948b9a40576c4322d997903e58a90b3fa878a8bf011<br>
+Message ID: \<9210050225.AB21620@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+Reply To: \<2554.2ACD2FF0@fidogate.FIDONET.ORG\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-05 02:17:52 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 19:17:52 PDT<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: Eric Hughes <hughes@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Date: Sun, 4 Oct 92 19:17:52 PDT
+To: cypherpunks@toad.com
+Subject: Mail headers
+In-Reply-To: <2554.2ACD2FF0@fidogate.FIDONET.ORG>
+Message-ID: <9210050225.AB21620@soda.berkeley.edu>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+
+>Alas, I can't take part in much it seems, the UFGATE was hobbled to
+>intentionally prevent us FidoNet people from entering text into
+>message headers (For example "Request-Remailing-To:"...) because we'd
+>take over the planet or something I guess (we are apparently
+>contagious).
+
+You aren't the only one Tom.  Apparently lots of Unix mail interfaces
+don't let you arbitrarily edit the header or add lines.
+
+I'm going to add a facility to make this possible for everyone.  The
+design I have in mind uses only the message body.  No need to touch
+the header.
+
+Announcements when it's finished.
+
+Eric
+
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-03 (Fri, 2 Oct 92 22:26:14 PDT) - [Re: Secure IRC](/archive/1992/10/a063aaf6de3e3da8f19b47cc36c6e1d58de782aeedbd38af44e2ea7839194a27) - _Tom.Jennings@f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tom Jennings)_
+  + 1992-10-05 (Sun, 4 Oct 92 19:15:03 PDT) - [introducing public keys](/archive/1992/10/6531dc9cfb41ffe59293b1364cb394d8c4abfebd215a68c3a3445018114f5dc2) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-05 (Sun, 4 Oct 92 19:17:52 PDT) - Mail headers - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+

_emails/1992/10/6531dc9cfb41ffe59293b1364cb394d8c4abfebd215a68c3a3445018114f5dc2.md

@@ -63,4 +63,5 @@ Eric
 
 + 1992-10-03 (Fri, 2 Oct 92 22:26:14 PDT) - [Re: Secure IRC](/archive/1992/10/a063aaf6de3e3da8f19b47cc36c6e1d58de782aeedbd38af44e2ea7839194a27) - _Tom.Jennings@f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tom Jennings)_
   + 1992-10-05 (Sun, 4 Oct 92 19:15:03 PDT) - introducing public keys - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-05 (Sun, 4 Oct 92 19:17:52 PDT) - [Mail headers](/archive/1992/10/603fca9ce668d8dbe8a45948b9a40576c4322d997903e58a90b3fa878a8bf011) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
 

_emails/1992/10/6d1555d9ba7e7f5df99b0b1e6d959204e559a393d247f7263b6320400b221fe9.md

@@ -54,4 +54,6 @@ e
 + 1992-10-15 (Thu, 15 Oct 92 02:23:21 PDT) - [Re: one time pads](/archive/1992/10/5d5b98b544ddca1167fefcf884fb753cc1d761f014b8e779949d089d9d8109ee) - _George A. Gleason \<gg@well.sf.ca.us\>_
   + 1992-10-16 (Thu, 15 Oct 92 17:08:10 PDT) - Re: one time pads - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
     + 1992-10-16 (Thu, 15 Oct 92 18:03:41 PDT) - [Re: one time pads](/archive/1992/10/12bc0f85f9a646add4c5603e08fe8e538363c6c8b9aa6e63490461eea74314a6) - _Peter Shipley \<shipley@tfs.COM\>_
+    + 1992-10-17 (Sat, 17 Oct 92 14:15:21 PDT) - [physical security](/archive/1992/10/aa53c7eb3d16e72286fbd184c013bd5ced033edc6ae0025925d8643d6f7da553) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-17 (Sat, 17 Oct 92 13:51:21 PDT) - [one time pads](/archive/1992/10/0e036f820010a6582fb94869cd94a029bdb96479d0b1088f2cf4b213f7bfe1ad) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
 

_emails/1992/10/70df6089242b5c169046d53743dfa4bd3c92c20bf64d992e0e1f6dfece0ffc41.md

@@ -0,0 +1,51 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-13 - Re: The subject of Saturday's game
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+To: ravi@xanadu.com (Ravi Pandya)<br>
+Message Hash: 70df6089242b5c169046d53743dfa4bd3c92c20bf64d992e0e1f6dfece0ffc41<br>
+Message ID: \<9210130503.AA15950@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+Reply To: \<9210121942.AA03720@xanadu.xanadu.com\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-13 04:56:16 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 21:56:16 PDT<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: Eric Hollander <hh@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 21:56:16 PDT
+To: ravi@xanadu.com (Ravi Pandya)
+Subject: Re: The subject of Saturday's game
+In-Reply-To: <9210121942.AA03720@xanadu.xanadu.com>
+Message-ID: <9210130503.AA15950@soda.berkeley.edu>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+
+That was a really good point.  Keep separate issues separate so as not to
+alienate people.
+
+e
+
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-12 (Mon, 12 Oct 92 13:46:47 PDT) - [The subject of Saturday's game](/archive/1992/10/8fff7b5a84c026c4cc648bb42872d6d51f9824f33809733f5222a210e4206edf) - _ravi@xanadu.com (Ravi Pandya)_
+  + 1992-10-12 (Mon, 12 Oct 92 15:09:10 PDT) - [The subject of Saturday's game](/archive/1992/10/8a4f1de939aaf4516a32b48c8d67a660c68b48c15ec909484af8850d0e50c802) - _tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)_
+  + 1992-10-12 (Mon, 12 Oct 92 15:40:05 PDT) - [Game items](/archive/1992/10/9c7ab62db5ee870b820de9a81cd8745a30f13b48fd9c8e544a5aa29121c4eb25) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-13 (Mon, 12 Oct 92 21:56:16 PDT) - Re: The subject of Saturday's game - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+

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@@ -122,4 +122,5 @@ Eric
   + 1992-10-23 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 23:22:28 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/dbefe9ce00cd47ed9ef4144315bc660edb3c2704e4ded25c391ab61617053e53) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
     + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 00:28:19 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/0bfa1d7d1f80cbd3ce39cc23172cc4e724e96af15fbdaf8df16e75cb89f68a9c) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
       + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 10:27:18 PDT) - Keystone - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 14:46:09 PDT) - [Keystone  "A provider of communications services cannot be held liable for the consequences of encrypted communications that pass though its system."](/archive/1992/10/a2b6c81aae6b0d86d24455bb1e86658ef59e178614156e7ba73b244081f58dc2) - _tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)_
 

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@@ -0,0 +1,56 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-23 - Diffie-Hellman
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)<br>
+To: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com<br>
+Message Hash: 814c0e402fe0f4ed056b0610bb9bae35c01bd5701ec896059cc3f10396e8876a<br>
+Message ID: \<9210231904.AA21331@newsu.shearson.com\><br>
+Reply To: \<9210231456.AA20396@anchor.ho.att.com\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-23 19:46:25 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Fri, 23 Oct 92 12:46:25 PDT<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)
+Date: Fri, 23 Oct 92 12:46:25 PDT
+To: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com
+Subject: Diffie-Hellman
+In-Reply-To: <9210231456.AA20396@anchor.ho.att.com>
+Message-ID: <9210231904.AA21331@newsu.shearson.com>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+>From: wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart)
+
+>Unfortunately, Diffie-Hellman *is* patented, and I'm pretty sure
+>Public Key Partners (closely related to RSA) holds the patent, just
+>as they hold RSA's.
+
+>Too bad - 
+
+PGP violates PKPs patents. Everyone is using it. I'm not encouraging
+patent violations -- I'm just noting fact.
+
+Perry
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 07:55:30 PDT) - [Re: Diffie-Hellman](/archive/1992/10/feb1c72c4206b93e4a5f238d42460056f58801e17338462087fc8c6c679b28c9) - _wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart)_
+  + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 09:30:05 PDT) - [Diffie-Hellman](/archive/1992/10/d39a783a959e253081f258dbda12f715a66b968015351fb34d96fef342090516) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 12:46:25 PDT) - Diffie-Hellman - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+

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@@ -0,0 +1,98 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-22 - Keystone
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)<br>
+To: gnu@cygnus.com<br>
+Message Hash: 84e2351d6648c687f5fec6b608e7de0cb065e212c57d655a4d704bf712f6ed8d<br>
+Message ID: \<9210221929.AA16268@newsu.shearson.com\><br>
+Reply To: \<9210220637.AA20200@cygnus.com\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-22 20:35:59 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 13:35:59 PDT<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)
+Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 13:35:59 PDT
+To: gnu@cygnus.com
+Subject: Keystone
+In-Reply-To: <9210220637.AA20200@cygnus.com>
+Message-ID: <9210221929.AA16268@newsu.shearson.com>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+>From: gnu@cygnus.com
+
+>We have a small project cooking, to use Diffie-Hellman key exchange
+>to choose a random key to encrypt Internet connections (telnet,
+>rlogin, ftp, smtp).  This same protocol can also be used over an
+>ordinary modem connection between a user's PC and a BBS, preventing
+>eavesdropping or wiretapping of that phone call.  It would also be
+>able to protect phone calls between a PC and a Unix timesharing system,
+>regardless of what networks lie in between, if we wrote a simple login
+>program that handled the modem protocol.  (It doesn't protect against
+>active re-routing of the call, e.g. by substituting another machine
+>for the BBS, but we could work on that as Phase II.)
+
+I would suggest that it be done during phase one. Spoofing attacks are
+very important things to guard against, and thanks to PGP there is a
+handy dandy set of code out there to steal from to provide for public
+key based authentication of the link. Indeed, I would go further and
+suggest that the protocol be designed so that it does not reveal the
+entities forming the link to outsiders (unless one end should
+intentionally advertise who it is, the assumption should be that both
+ends know who the other end is a priori). There is also a very good
+implementation of the IDEA cypher in PGP, which should run well as the
+conventional cypher for the link (although I would suggest having the
+protocol negotiate the cypher just in case IDEA gets replaced later
+on).
+
+I am very interested in seeing such a protocol standardized because I
+have another use for it -- secure telephones. Given modern DSPs to do
+and cheap V.32bis modems, excellent secure voice communications are
+feasable. The presense of code in the public domain to handle secure
+encrypted links could be easily dropped right in to this application.
+
+>(I suggest that the initial Diffie-Hellman handshake all be done in
+>ASCII encoding, no matter what the medium, so that the same protocol
+>can be used on all media, binary-transparent or not.)
+
+I agree that this should be a negotiated option in the protocol
+(prehaps with some sort of test done at the beginning of the link for
+line transparency), but I'm not sure it should be mandatory as that
+eighth bit get significant at times.
+
+>If anyone knows of a reasonably popular PC terminal emulator for
+>which source code is freely available and distributable, let us know.
+
+Kermit is the obvious choice.
+
+Perry
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-22 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 22:35:21 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/4b028509a502332d7eb20d667f19c0822f161f636956254fb21a228f7050899b) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-22 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 23:35:44 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/fb6cd513252375d40032e5c92dc6f0e2a944525554d20788331d097d9233143d) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+    + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 10:09:30 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/2414b4e9749952e702f40e3ab08b5c8c4f13ba6c41f4fd2ddcc01ba85e3079c8) - _sdw@meaddata.com (Stephen Williams)_
+    + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 13:35:59 PDT) - Keystone - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+      + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 14:13:15 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/8722e10812e0640b12e0982471a88ec752fbd3c1119f6bd6e18c8da3d9ff658f) - _bill@anubis.network.com (Bill O'Hanlon)_
+        + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 12:41:02 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/ad793169286427eaacdc821427e6851f41137b304461302d20d0f1f5eba86bf9) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+      + 1992-10-27 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 01:31:25 PPE) - [Re: D-H telnet protocol  *  Cheap secure phones](/archive/1992/10/c2cc2d444b77b30f6b971e53288a50ce203533a134605fb11a06df58bce19331) - _gnu_
+        + 1992-10-27 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 09:08:54 PPE) - [D-H telnet protocol  *  Cheap secure phones](/archive/1992/10/49acbc13ba3cc632670f4cfc79f4b01f3a64e013ad7c1e32eaa0d42f982870c7) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+          + 1992-10-28 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 19:17:46 PPE) - [Re: D-H telnet protocol](/archive/1992/10/2f6194f732940b4af3a69ef751c2643975218d68c9c25f821f3d8d76e9469fa3) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+            + 1992-10-28 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 22:34:58 PPE) - [D-H telnet protocol](/archive/1992/10/29ac1f104c220261d26e5f49f7ec33a8b3ef685752880c3fb0dc3b4c1d71aca1) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+

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@@ -0,0 +1,63 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-13 - Mail headers
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)<br>
+To: gnu@cygnus.com<br>
+Message Hash: 85bf1b529ac7f0ed67423c59c35efc0036b3344f95a66287da6187b21deec4c8<br>
+Message ID: \<9210131851.AA07309@newsu.shearson.com\><br>
+Reply To: \<9210131800.AA10408@cygnus.com\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-13 20:25:13 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 13:25:13 PDT<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)
+Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 13:25:13 PDT
+To: gnu@cygnus.com
+Subject: Mail headers
+In-Reply-To: <9210131800.AA10408@cygnus.com>
+Message-ID: <9210131851.AA07309@newsu.shearson.com>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+>From: gnu@cygnus.com
+
+>We have standards already for a fully encrypted email system.  It's
+>called PEM, Privacy Enhanced Mail.  It'd be completely senseless to come
+>up with a different format at this point, as PEM is on the verge of
+>deployment.
+
+One might have a good reason to follow most of PEMs formatting
+standards and the like; I'd fully agree its foolish in the extreme to
+do otherwise. However, some of us don't like PEMs hierarchical key
+authentication concepts.
+
+Perry
+
+
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-10 (Sat, 10 Oct 92 11:04:58 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel?](/archive/1992/10/a7deae21289e64af8c4c457307bdf1c62cbeb469f75b1613a3ed1a9dfa73b939) - _Hal \<74076.1041@CompuServe.COM\>_
+  + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 05:02:06 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel?  Just who is whom here?](/archive/1992/10/4c67e79a2ec7344d27550db884c628f037f2077d684ba8190ca763a77730d2bc) - _hugh@domingo.teracons.com (Hugh Daniel)_
+    + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 08:58:32 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel?  Just who is whom here?](/archive/1992/10/b522b87517a2d84b579f40e313b2fa857de956c060f703f320fd96498bfcfd60) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+    + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 09:03:14 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel?  Just who is who here?](/archive/1992/10/a529ffcb0e842a6e9c06a5383ffcccf371e0f82990315ad61805d7f2c4e8c9d1) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 09:15:29 PDT) - [Mail headers](/archive/1992/10/fd8673bdc1ee18f17aa79922a2e2a46b093d0152017946f6c015599da76f42d6) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+      + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 10:53:19 PDT) - [Re: Mail headers](/archive/1992/10/c0dd210fad292f455520dacfda62fa94ee3cdbbe0779073489342f687a164bea) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+        + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 13:25:13 PDT) - Mail headers - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+

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@@ -0,0 +1,69 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-22 - Re: Keystone
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: bill@anubis.network.com (Bill O'Hanlon)<br>
+To: cypherpunks@toad.com<br>
+Message Hash: 8722e10812e0640b12e0982471a88ec752fbd3c1119f6bd6e18c8da3d9ff658f<br>
+Message ID: \<9210222112.AA06121@anubis.network.com\><br>
+Reply To: \<9210221929.AA16268@newsu.shearson.com\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-22 21:13:15 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 14:13:15 PDT<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: bill@anubis.network.com (Bill O'Hanlon)
+Date: Thu, 22 Oct 92 14:13:15 PDT
+To: cypherpunks@toad.com
+Subject: Re: Keystone
+In-Reply-To: <9210221929.AA16268@newsu.shearson.com>
+Message-ID: <9210222112.AA06121@anubis.network.com>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+>
+>I am very interested in seeing such a protocol standardized because I
+>have another use for it -- secure telephones. Given modern DSPs to do
+>and cheap V.32bis modems, excellent secure voice communications are
+>feasable. The presense of code in the public domain to handle secure
+>encrypted links could be easily dropped right in to this application.
+>
+
+I've had much the same idea.  There are a lot of people out there with 
+PCs equipped with Soundblasters and V.32 modems.
+
+I can't think of a better way to fight back against that ridiculous
+FBI Telephone legislation.
+
+
+-- 
+Bill O'Hanlon               Network Systems Corporation
+bill@network.com
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-22 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 22:35:21 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/4b028509a502332d7eb20d667f19c0822f161f636956254fb21a228f7050899b) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-22 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 23:35:44 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/fb6cd513252375d40032e5c92dc6f0e2a944525554d20788331d097d9233143d) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+    + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 10:09:30 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/2414b4e9749952e702f40e3ab08b5c8c4f13ba6c41f4fd2ddcc01ba85e3079c8) - _sdw@meaddata.com (Stephen Williams)_
+    + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 13:35:59 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/84e2351d6648c687f5fec6b608e7de0cb065e212c57d655a4d704bf712f6ed8d) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+      + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 14:13:15 PDT) - Re: Keystone - _bill@anubis.network.com (Bill O'Hanlon)_
+        + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 12:41:02 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/ad793169286427eaacdc821427e6851f41137b304461302d20d0f1f5eba86bf9) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+      + 1992-10-27 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 01:31:25 PPE) - [Re: D-H telnet protocol  *  Cheap secure phones](/archive/1992/10/c2cc2d444b77b30f6b971e53288a50ce203533a134605fb11a06df58bce19331) - _gnu_
+        + 1992-10-27 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 09:08:54 PPE) - [D-H telnet protocol  *  Cheap secure phones](/archive/1992/10/49acbc13ba3cc632670f4cfc79f4b01f3a64e013ad7c1e32eaa0d42f982870c7) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+          + 1992-10-28 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 19:17:46 PPE) - [Re: D-H telnet protocol](/archive/1992/10/2f6194f732940b4af3a69ef751c2643975218d68c9c25f821f3d8d76e9469fa3) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+            + 1992-10-28 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 22:34:58 PPE) - [D-H telnet protocol](/archive/1992/10/29ac1f104c220261d26e5f49f7ec33a8b3ef685752880c3fb0dc3b4c1d71aca1) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+

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@@ -65,4 +65,5 @@ YWy0JlBldGVyIE0gU2hpcGxleSA8c2hpcGxleUBiZXJrZWxleS5lZHU+
 
 + 1992-10-25 (Sat, 24 Oct 92 20:33:12 PDT) - [pgp key distribution](/archive/1992/10/34602500d479303d1a7a304cabde762a9624b8b46feca41333e5d7a3bc26d4f9) - _shawnb \<shawnb@ecst.csuchico.edu\>_
   + 1992-10-25 (Sat, 24 Oct 92 20:54:34 PDT) - Re: pgp key distribution - _Peter Shipley \<shipley@tfs.COM\>_
+  + 1992-10-25 (Sat, 24 Oct 92 22:03:00 PDT) - [pgp key distribution](/archive/1992/10/4137e49f0498a0f7b4545f98b63676470d62c8318ad13ae908b9ef1fe5f2f4e5) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
 

_emails/1992/10/8a24672636a42d5225524b26c5cc78e1b0ba1b62a4c1e1fe1825463951a6b9e0.md

@@ -52,4 +52,6 @@ encrypted mail, plaintext mail or line-noise?
     + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 14:42:19 PDT) - [BBS E-mail policy Now see if this number is in one of the following ranges:](/archive/1992/10/298d86c630be7b06958a77a0e2a93e61224cded16c21ee64acb6bc0f39e9ecfd) - _tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)_
       + 1992-10-24 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 23:20:44 PDT) - [entropy measures](/archive/1992/10/3c38d48ebe6788447fca198f92d44a9ffa68121b79032804da9a7944dc97d602) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
         + 1992-10-26 (Sun, 25 Oct 92 21:41:19 PPE) - [Re: entropy measures](/archive/1992/10/b71072e5de22f0ee2513a7bc057b82b39ad7284a70bf4913906340f5c39b27b3) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-26 (Sun, 25 Oct 92 21:29:49 PPE) - [Re: BBS E-mail policy](/archive/1992/10/fbe83ff79794f109159e298eb88fce410a7847d43b87f0d6426ef33b4884b280) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+      + 1992-10-26 (Mon, 26 Oct 92 08:55:04 PPE) - [entropy](/archive/1992/10/9d4dcb1012b41fda6c8f80cb56a7f2aa2e3b85fc1658466140b482591f39088b) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
 

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@@ -76,4 +76,6 @@ dean
 
 + 1992-10-12 (Mon, 12 Oct 92 13:46:47 PDT) - [The subject of Saturday's game](/archive/1992/10/8fff7b5a84c026c4cc648bb42872d6d51f9824f33809733f5222a210e4206edf) - _ravi@xanadu.com (Ravi Pandya)_
   + 1992-10-12 (Mon, 12 Oct 92 15:09:10 PDT) - The subject of Saturday's game - _tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)_
+  + 1992-10-12 (Mon, 12 Oct 92 15:40:05 PDT) - [Game items](/archive/1992/10/9c7ab62db5ee870b820de9a81cd8745a30f13b48fd9c8e544a5aa29121c4eb25) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-13 (Mon, 12 Oct 92 21:56:16 PDT) - [Re: The subject of Saturday's game](/archive/1992/10/70df6089242b5c169046d53743dfa4bd3c92c20bf64d992e0e1f6dfece0ffc41) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
 

_emails/1992/10/8de813733f4767b35683f1b680f8fdb5fd2a9f279f4c87fc9d9444001b7eb551.md

@@ -47,4 +47,5 @@ dean
   + 1992-10-24 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 23:27:22 PDT) - [multiple message destinations](/archive/1992/10/cfed7a111fb65e52097c55e2ea241c10fdb3bcd320dc7febef3af4197e8d3fb0) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
     + 1992-10-24 (Sat, 24 Oct 92 02:31:19 PDT) - multiple message destinations - _tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)_
       + 1992-10-24 (Sat, 24 Oct 92 09:24:30 PDT) - [multiple message destinations](/archive/1992/10/b19a4e7de5587cdd9b020544e3ec69f78d61bdb5f100b3328b4e5795df3d237b) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-25 (Sat, 24 Oct 92 19:34:56 PDT) - [multiple message destinations](/archive/1992/10/3c0b89761b1e93b00c3291ea3746200f0ab0e7b9873b929b14418acaffd7958c) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
 

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@@ -88,4 +88,6 @@ To life and liberty,
 
 + 1992-10-12 (Mon, 12 Oct 92 13:46:47 PDT) - The subject of Saturday's game - _ravi@xanadu.com (Ravi Pandya)_
   + 1992-10-12 (Mon, 12 Oct 92 15:09:10 PDT) - [The subject of Saturday's game](/archive/1992/10/8a4f1de939aaf4516a32b48c8d67a660c68b48c15ec909484af8850d0e50c802) - _tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)_
+  + 1992-10-12 (Mon, 12 Oct 92 15:40:05 PDT) - [Game items](/archive/1992/10/9c7ab62db5ee870b820de9a81cd8745a30f13b48fd9c8e544a5aa29121c4eb25) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-13 (Mon, 12 Oct 92 21:56:16 PDT) - [Re: The subject of Saturday's game](/archive/1992/10/70df6089242b5c169046d53743dfa4bd3c92c20bf64d992e0e1f6dfece0ffc41) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
 

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@@ -137,4 +137,5 @@ INTERNET: tom.jennings@f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG
   + 1992-10-23 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 23:22:28 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/dbefe9ce00cd47ed9ef4144315bc660edb3c2704e4ded25c391ab61617053e53) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
     + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 00:28:19 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/0bfa1d7d1f80cbd3ce39cc23172cc4e724e96af15fbdaf8df16e75cb89f68a9c) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
       + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 10:27:18 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/7eafa220d02ff7674103b943a51cc62015c3bc371211bcd6d8b3a9f5e836b8a1) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 14:46:09 PDT) - [Keystone  "A provider of communications services cannot be held liable for the consequences of encrypted communications that pass though its system."](/archive/1992/10/a2b6c81aae6b0d86d24455bb1e86658ef59e178614156e7ba73b244081f58dc2) - _tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)_
 

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@@ -0,0 +1,70 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-14 - Matching Text, Headders and Signatures with Crypto Hashes
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: hugh@domingo.teracons.com (Hugh Daniel)<br>
+To: cypherpunks@toad.com<br>
+Message Hash: 93c22d4a09c05464dc229bf684957f4a4020b1760fd9767649a9dc90fafe3731<br>
+Message ID: \<9210140150.AA12409@domingo.teracons.com\><br>
+Reply To: \<9210131710.AA20497@bsu-cs.bsu.edu\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-14 01:58:39 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 18:58:39 PDT<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: hugh@domingo.teracons.com (Hugh Daniel)
+Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 18:58:39 PDT
+To: cypherpunks@toad.com
+Subject: Matching Text, Headders and Signatures with Crypto Hashes
+In-Reply-To: <9210131710.AA20497@bsu-cs.bsu.edu>
+Message-ID: <9210140150.AA12409@domingo.teracons.com>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+  A genral and powerful method of makeing sure that Headders, Bodys
+and Signatures match is to use cyrpto-checksums.
+
+  For example in NetNews I proposed changing the MessageId: headder
+such that part of the gobldyguk on the left side of the atsign was a
+crypto hash of the body of the message and some of the important
+sending host generated headders.
+  With this system of MessageId:'s anyone who corrupts a message
+(intentionaly or otherwise) creates a bogus message, as the next
+machine that gets the message can see that the message does not match
+it MessageId: line.
+
+  So, if we design the signature system right (with a field for a
+crypto hash, or some sort of secondarys signatures to in efect counter
+sign various includes such as the plain text) a plain text message can
+be signed in such a way that you can be sure that the text is the
+right text and none other.
+  This can be sent over the airwaves as it is not hideing information
+but proveing that it is the right information!
+
+  Systems like this would be *very* usefull right now, are simple to
+do (with good advice from Crypto Math types) and usefull to everybody.
+
+		||ugh
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 08:55:18 PDT) - [Re: Mr. Squirrel](/archive/1992/10/1be047fb00ed9b8e7e62a36076bd875e747fc5da248ab50cd0ef9aff7be79589) - _Hal \<74076.1041@CompuServe.COM\>_
+  + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 10:04:24 PDT) - [Re: Mr. Squirrel](/archive/1992/10/fe748ec0459677318d9e9d5d0611919b35b8f6e096b4d2ede12008c07f006f28) - _nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Chael Hall)_
+    + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 11:49:36 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel](/archive/1992/10/4449d8423a3d4ccea75be61a5bd0f1ff0f12e8a37191013726ee2d9bfc0c5fb6) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-14 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 18:58:39 PDT) - Matching Text, Headders and Signatures with Crypto Hashes - _hugh@domingo.teracons.com (Hugh Daniel)_
+  + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 11:30:35 PDT) - [Re: Mr. Squirrel](/archive/1992/10/22b5c20d41565a4f05316b622c933f2ab64bf02c1533856548bdcd6694a6ae0b) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+

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@@ -0,0 +1,61 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-20 - one time pads.
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)<br>
+To: hkhenson@cup.portal.com<br>
+Message Hash: 982bfab097835a0b9df7a1a47c0ff991a4eb6abe41550d202592d6b68280fe9c<br>
+Message ID: \<9210191948.AA13028@newsu.shearson.com\><br>
+Reply To: \<9210190136.1.13588@cup.portal.com\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-20 00:08:26 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Mon, 19 Oct 92 17:08:26 PDT<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)
+Date: Mon, 19 Oct 92 17:08:26 PDT
+To: hkhenson@cup.portal.com
+Subject: one time pads.
+In-Reply-To: <9210190136.1.13588@cup.portal.com>
+Message-ID: <9210191948.AA13028@newsu.shearson.com>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+>From: hkhenson@cup.portal.com
+
+>I can suggest a way to "distribute" a one time pad, even though the 
+>people never meet.  Just agree over the phone on which CD ROM to use,
+>and some forumula for an offset into the CD ROM.  You might want to
+>throw away some of the data to make the bit stream less regular, but
+>with 600 meg, who cares?  Keith Henson
+
+This seems equivalent to the old "dictionary" or "book" cyphers that
+people sometimes used. Good cryptanalysts broke them routinely. I'll
+leave it to your imagination how one might do it, but I'll just note
+that if you picked a few arbitrary bytes, say bytes 30-40, of all the
+CDs in the record store, you would find that those few bytes likely
+distinguish all but prehaps a token number of CDs.
+
+Perry
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-19 (Mon, 19 Oct 92 02:21:17 PDT) - [one time pads.](/archive/1992/10/ed656b95f52bf63782f7b835e6ae14c1bd892422ed6422815953acd9285309f7) - _hkhenson@cup.portal.com_
+  + 1992-10-19 (Mon, 19 Oct 92 08:48:48 PDT) - [one time pads.](/archive/1992/10/01dd3338e31b454f5ddf16d8d379d36e6690381811c64d219d0f07c6a96a902b) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-20 (Mon, 19 Oct 92 17:09:14 PDT) - [one time pads.](/archive/1992/10/aa4ce8970b83924042b4db610a7bd986514f98bf7dffd14a05363fce934e7c9c) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+  + 1992-10-20 (Mon, 19 Oct 92 17:08:26 PDT) - one time pads. - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+

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@@ -64,4 +64,5 @@ Higher Power: 2^756839 | PGP 2.0 and MailSafe keys by arrangement.
 + 1992-10-20 (Tue, 20 Oct 92 16:53:46 PDT) - [another service](/archive/1992/10/a213894998668de417861789fbaefe97699e97a56f87e2d3099724679904950a) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
   + 1992-10-21 (Tue, 20 Oct 92 17:15:26 PDT) - Re: another service - _tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)_
     + 1992-10-21 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 08:23:37 PDT) - [another service](/archive/1992/10/ac30aba0379c97f7086f0925637e60e8e5248224c58ce4c9d020d91671041296) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+  + 1992-10-21 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 10:13:36 PDT) - [another service](/archive/1992/10/0912cceab0f80907a16858d095e21307c0dfdff0e2d5f0a591861876e6362dd6) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
 

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@@ -0,0 +1,77 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-12 - Game items
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+To: cypherpunks@toad.com<br>
+Message Hash: 9c7ab62db5ee870b820de9a81cd8745a30f13b48fd9c8e544a5aa29121c4eb25<br>
+Message ID: \<9210122247.AA01207@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+Reply To: \<9210121942.AA03720@xanadu.xanadu.com\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-12 22:40:05 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 15:40:05 PDT<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: Eric Hughes <hughes@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Date: Mon, 12 Oct 92 15:40:05 PDT
+To: cypherpunks@toad.com
+Subject: Game items
+In-Reply-To: <9210121942.AA03720@xanadu.xanadu.com>
+Message-ID: <9210122247.AA01207@soda.berkeley.edu>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+
+Re: drugs and simulation games.
+
+At the meeting last Saturday, we played the second incarnation of the
+remailing simulation game.  In a nutshell, the game is intended to
+teach people about how to protect their privacy by using encryption to
+prevent against monitoring and by using remailing to protect their
+identities.  Since the game is also in part an economic simulation, I
+tried to pick game objects which someone had some interest in keeping
+quiet.  I picked drugs, of unspecified name, as a prominent game item.
+This, by wide acclamation, is a mistake.  Since the primary reason to
+pick this was a paucity of imagination, I now ask for help from the
+list.
+
+We want to develop a list of game items, physical objects, which will
+be the goods of transaction.  I would like to pick objects that have
+been illegal in the past, but which are not anymore.  They should not
+be primarily information, such as copies of _Ulysses_.  They should
+not now be restricted.  Nor should they be weapons, such as crossbows
+or samurai swords.  They should, however, be objects that are known to
+have generated some emotional reactions in the past.
+
+There are two suggestions that meet these criteria: contraceptives and
+printing presses (or xerox machines).  I would like to find more.
+Please make your suggestions.
+
+Another possibility is to use items which have been the subject of
+state-enforced monopolies in the past, such as pepper or nutmeg.
+
+Be creative.  We'd like to get a good list of twenty or so items.
+
+Eric
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-12 (Mon, 12 Oct 92 13:46:47 PDT) - [The subject of Saturday's game](/archive/1992/10/8fff7b5a84c026c4cc648bb42872d6d51f9824f33809733f5222a210e4206edf) - _ravi@xanadu.com (Ravi Pandya)_
+  + 1992-10-12 (Mon, 12 Oct 92 15:09:10 PDT) - [The subject of Saturday's game](/archive/1992/10/8a4f1de939aaf4516a32b48c8d67a660c68b48c15ec909484af8850d0e50c802) - _tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)_
+  + 1992-10-12 (Mon, 12 Oct 92 15:40:05 PDT) - Game items - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-13 (Mon, 12 Oct 92 21:56:16 PDT) - [Re: The subject of Saturday's game](/archive/1992/10/70df6089242b5c169046d53743dfa4bd3c92c20bf64d992e0e1f6dfece0ffc41) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+

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@@ -0,0 +1,75 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-26 - entropy
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+To: cypherpunks@toad.com<br>
+Message Hash: 9d4dcb1012b41fda6c8f80cb56a7f2aa2e3b85fc1658466140b482591f39088b<br>
+Message ID: \<9210261554.AA11701@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+Reply To: \<9210260429.AA29646@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-26 15:55:04 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Mon, 26 Oct 92 08:55:04 PPE<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: Eric Hughes <hughes@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Date: Mon, 26 Oct 92 08:55:04 PPE
+To: cypherpunks@toad.com
+Subject: entropy
+In-Reply-To: <9210260429.AA29646@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Message-ID: <9210261554.AA11701@soda.berkeley.edu>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+Re: entropy
+
+Eric Hollander writes:
+>I seem to remember that English text is about 1.5 bits per character.  I can
+>find a reference if you're interested.
+
+There are lots of entropies available to measure.  There is "true"
+entropy, the lower bound for all other entropy measures.  This is the
+compressibility limit.
+
+The entropy I was referring to was simply the single character
+entropy.  That is, the probabilities p_i in the entropy expression are
+the probabilities that a given single character appear in the text.
+This will be higher than the true entropy.  Shannon's estimate for H_1
+was 4.03 bits/character.  This assumes a 27 character alphabet.  The
+entropy for ASCII-represented English will be higher because of
+punctuation and capitals.
+
+The true entropy of English is much lower than this, of course.  But
+for an simple measure to automatically distinguish between plaintext
+and ciphertext, it should suffice.
+
+Re: uuencoding.  In my analysis before I assume that the uuencoding
+would be of random data.  If it is not from random data, then the
+entropy will be lower.  Thanks for the clarification.
+
+Eric
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 09:25:56 PDT) - [BBS E-mail policy](/archive/1992/10/8a24672636a42d5225524b26c5cc78e1b0ba1b62a4c1e1fe1825463951a6b9e0) - _omega@spica.bu.edu (The Omega)_
+  + 1992-10-23 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 23:02:09 PDT) - [BBS E-mail policy](/archive/1992/10/bc5b354247141e46df2c768591ee1dffd7fbc017a03b959da779cf82e2521133) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 14:42:19 PDT) - [BBS E-mail policy Now see if this number is in one of the following ranges:](/archive/1992/10/298d86c630be7b06958a77a0e2a93e61224cded16c21ee64acb6bc0f39e9ecfd) - _tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)_
+      + 1992-10-24 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 23:20:44 PDT) - [entropy measures](/archive/1992/10/3c38d48ebe6788447fca198f92d44a9ffa68121b79032804da9a7944dc97d602) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+        + 1992-10-26 (Sun, 25 Oct 92 21:41:19 PPE) - [Re: entropy measures](/archive/1992/10/b71072e5de22f0ee2513a7bc057b82b39ad7284a70bf4913906340f5c39b27b3) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-26 (Sun, 25 Oct 92 21:29:49 PPE) - [Re: BBS E-mail policy](/archive/1992/10/fbe83ff79794f109159e298eb88fce410a7847d43b87f0d6426ef33b4884b280) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+      + 1992-10-26 (Mon, 26 Oct 92 08:55:04 PPE) - entropy - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+

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@@ -126,4 +126,5 @@ Eric
 
 + 1992-10-20 (Tue, 20 Oct 92 07:52:54 PDT) - [Tempest.](/archive/1992/10/a7121e6b58f5793e8ce72a9ffb013118c78d58b101b27a1b146700db360f8607) - _nobody@soda.berkeley.edu_
   + 1992-10-20 (Tue, 20 Oct 92 09:15:10 PDT) - Tempest. - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-20 (Tue, 20 Oct 92 11:40:12 PDT) - [Re: Tempest.](/archive/1992/10/d32ab444f4044886748c9a60c1e2f00026b6d8ea107bfaea0a9cc1ae7ccf8b45) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
 

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@@ -54,4 +54,5 @@ dean
   + 1992-10-24 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 23:27:22 PDT) - [multiple message destinations](/archive/1992/10/cfed7a111fb65e52097c55e2ea241c10fdb3bcd320dc7febef3af4197e8d3fb0) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
     + 1992-10-24 (Sat, 24 Oct 92 02:31:19 PDT) - [multiple message destinations](/archive/1992/10/8de813733f4767b35683f1b680f8fdb5fd2a9f279f4c87fc9d9444001b7eb551) - _tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)_
       + 1992-10-24 (Sat, 24 Oct 92 09:24:30 PDT) - [multiple message destinations](/archive/1992/10/b19a4e7de5587cdd9b020544e3ec69f78d61bdb5f100b3328b4e5795df3d237b) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-25 (Sat, 24 Oct 92 19:34:56 PDT) - [multiple message destinations](/archive/1992/10/3c0b89761b1e93b00c3291ea3746200f0ab0e7b9873b929b14418acaffd7958c) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
 

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@@ -59,4 +59,5 @@ INTERNET: Tom.Jennings@f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG
 
 + 1992-10-03 (Fri, 2 Oct 92 22:26:14 PDT) - Re: Secure IRC - _Tom.Jennings@f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tom Jennings)_
   + 1992-10-05 (Sun, 4 Oct 92 19:15:03 PDT) - [introducing public keys](/archive/1992/10/6531dc9cfb41ffe59293b1364cb394d8c4abfebd215a68c3a3445018114f5dc2) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-05 (Sun, 4 Oct 92 19:17:52 PDT) - [Mail headers](/archive/1992/10/603fca9ce668d8dbe8a45948b9a40576c4322d997903e58a90b3fa878a8bf011) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
 

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@@ -69,4 +69,5 @@ e
 + 1992-10-20 (Tue, 20 Oct 92 16:53:46 PDT) - another service - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
   + 1992-10-21 (Tue, 20 Oct 92 17:15:26 PDT) - [Re: another service](/archive/1992/10/9af7c8872cb768aec4b734b169b9ed46da2eb076cd64d2c95a42ccb00e1cc245) - _tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)_
     + 1992-10-21 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 08:23:37 PDT) - [another service](/archive/1992/10/ac30aba0379c97f7086f0925637e60e8e5248224c58ce4c9d020d91671041296) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+  + 1992-10-21 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 10:13:36 PDT) - [another service](/archive/1992/10/0912cceab0f80907a16858d095e21307c0dfdff0e2d5f0a591861876e6362dd6) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
 

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@@ -0,0 +1,52 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-23 - Keystone  "A provider of communications services cannot be held liable for the consequences of encrypted communications that pass though its system."
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)<br>
+To: uunet!soda.berkeley.edu!hughes@uunet.UU.NET<br>
+Message Hash: a2b6c81aae6b0d86d24455bb1e86658ef59e178614156e7ba73b244081f58dc2<br>
+Message ID: \<9210231631.AA11756@xanadu.xanadu.com\><br>
+Reply To: \<9210230622.AA26831@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-23 21:46:09 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Fri, 23 Oct 92 14:46:09 PDT<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)
+Date: Fri, 23 Oct 92 14:46:09 PDT
+To: uunet!soda.berkeley.edu!hughes@uunet.UU.NET
+Subject: Keystone  "A provider of communications services cannot be held liable for the consequences of encrypted communications that pass though its system."
+In-Reply-To: <9210230622.AA26831@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Message-ID: <9210231631.AA11756@xanadu.xanadu.com>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+The Compuserver decision some months ago supported this indirectly:
+Compuserver was held not liable for mail and postings on their system,
+because they don't claim to read them.  I don't beleive Compuserve is
+a common carrier, so the precedence supports the result you want.
+
+dean
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 11:19:49 PDT) - [re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/90acf83b11143d2b8c4c4029e49ae5df05278a74166799409280e6de432e0a6a) - _Tom.Jennings@f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tom Jennings)_
+  + 1992-10-23 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 23:22:28 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/dbefe9ce00cd47ed9ef4144315bc660edb3c2704e4ded25c391ab61617053e53) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 00:28:19 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/0bfa1d7d1f80cbd3ce39cc23172cc4e724e96af15fbdaf8df16e75cb89f68a9c) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+      + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 10:27:18 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/7eafa220d02ff7674103b943a51cc62015c3bc371211bcd6d8b3a9f5e836b8a1) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 14:46:09 PDT) - Keystone  "A provider of communications services cannot be held liable for the consequences of encrypted communications that pass though its system." - _tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)_
+

_emails/1992/10/a3549267c7685449f179c32000954d1cbe807bbff091a6b3fad08c732f3d8fcd.md

@@ -0,0 +1,56 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-07 - Re: Nuts & Acorns
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+To: Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+Message Hash: a3549267c7685449f179c32000954d1cbe807bbff091a6b3fad08c732f3d8fcd<br>
+Message ID: \<9210070541.AA23855@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+Reply To: \<9210070137.AA15880@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-07 05:34:13 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 22:34:13 PDT<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: Eric Hollander <hh@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Date: Tue, 6 Oct 92 22:34:13 PDT
+To: Eric Hughes <hughes@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Subject: Re: Nuts & Acorns
+In-Reply-To: <9210070137.AA15880@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Message-ID: <9210070541.AA23855@soda.berkeley.edu>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+
+>In the elctronic world, all you have are persistent pseudonyms.  Most
+>of them, true, are still linked to physical people, but there is no
+>particular reason why that need continue.
+
+Instead of thinking of keys as things belonging to people, we can think of
+people as things associated with keys.  In fact, we just need to shift the
+focus to be entirely on the keys, and leave the people out of it.
+
+e
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-06 (Tue, 6 Oct 92 15:11:44 PDT) - [re: Nuts & Acorns](/archive/1992/10/3fd0e544238de7181d76d863b77743d4ae1d3dc88e4eaee330999abcb62314cc) - _Tom.Jennings@f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tom Jennings)_
+  + 1992-10-06 (Tue, 6 Oct 92 15:59:23 PDT) - [Nuts & Acorns](/archive/1992/10/b106cdc1eb583bff16fa9268f26e98be158ce990a6bbf7894c7c2074f047ea51) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+    + 1992-10-07 (Tue, 6 Oct 92 17:44:27 PDT) - [Nuts & Acorns](/archive/1992/10/f15e5fceb881331d0abfe3e479ccbe1aaa0955f01737edfcbcb97a68f27288e8) - _tribble@xanadu.com_
+    + 1992-10-07 (Tue, 6 Oct 92 18:30:07 PDT) - [Nuts & Acorns](/archive/1992/10/36549a224c5be99ea489ee28dda78530ba2e60dbae3d82a985c6fcc46cd522f2) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+      + 1992-10-07 (Tue, 6 Oct 92 22:34:13 PDT) - Re: Nuts & Acorns - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+

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@@ -0,0 +1,63 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-13 - Mr. Squirrel?  Just who is who here?
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+To: CYPHERPUNKS@TOAD.COM<br>
+Message Hash: a529ffcb0e842a6e9c06a5383ffcccf371e0f82990315ad61805d7f2c4e8c9d1<br>
+Message ID: \<9210131610.AA25466@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+Reply To: \<9210131201.AA12086@domingo.teracons.com\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-13 16:03:14 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 09:03:14 PDT<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: Eric Hughes <hughes@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 09:03:14 PDT
+To: CYPHERPUNKS@TOAD.COM
+Subject: Mr. Squirrel?  Just who is who here?
+In-Reply-To: <9210131201.AA12086@domingo.teracons.com>
+Message-ID: <9210131610.AA25466@soda.berkeley.edu>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+
+Hugh asks how, in a broadcast network, we may verify identity.  The
+answer is "statistically."  Not everyone needs to verify each message;
+only those who communicate with the sender personally (and who thus
+know the private keys) need to.
+
+Hugh mentions the "one-on-one signed signature method" and that it is
+not applicable to broadcast.  Well, signing the whole message is not,
+but signing a message digest is.  This is the whole reason for message
+digests, that a message may go out in cleartext, but the validating
+information for that message be encrypted.  Thus everyone can read the
+message, even without knowledge of the public key, but it is possible
+to verify the identity if you know it, i.e. you know the private key.
+
+Eric
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-10 (Sat, 10 Oct 92 11:04:58 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel?](/archive/1992/10/a7deae21289e64af8c4c457307bdf1c62cbeb469f75b1613a3ed1a9dfa73b939) - _Hal \<74076.1041@CompuServe.COM\>_
+  + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 05:02:06 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel?  Just who is whom here?](/archive/1992/10/4c67e79a2ec7344d27550db884c628f037f2077d684ba8190ca763a77730d2bc) - _hugh@domingo.teracons.com (Hugh Daniel)_
+    + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 08:58:32 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel?  Just who is whom here?](/archive/1992/10/b522b87517a2d84b579f40e313b2fa857de956c060f703f320fd96498bfcfd60) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+    + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 09:03:14 PDT) - Mr. Squirrel?  Just who is who here? - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 09:15:29 PDT) - [Mail headers](/archive/1992/10/fd8673bdc1ee18f17aa79922a2e2a46b093d0152017946f6c015599da76f42d6) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+      + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 10:53:19 PDT) - [Re: Mail headers](/archive/1992/10/c0dd210fad292f455520dacfda62fa94ee3cdbbe0779073489342f687a164bea) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+        + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 13:25:13 PDT) - [Mail headers](/archive/1992/10/85bf1b529ac7f0ed67423c59c35efc0036b3344f95a66287da6187b21deec4c8) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+

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@@ -77,4 +77,5 @@ Hal
 
 + 1992-10-20 (Tue, 20 Oct 92 07:52:54 PDT) - Tempest. - _nobody@soda.berkeley.edu_
   + 1992-10-20 (Tue, 20 Oct 92 09:15:10 PDT) - [Tempest.](/archive/1992/10/9e84d4e02ea65ce14fce0d171ef88d618ef9a2c7078fabeaa88d63189c385067) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-20 (Tue, 20 Oct 92 11:40:12 PDT) - [Re: Tempest.](/archive/1992/10/d32ab444f4044886748c9a60c1e2f00026b6d8ea107bfaea0a9cc1ae7ccf8b45) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
 

_emails/1992/10/a7deae21289e64af8c4c457307bdf1c62cbeb469f75b1613a3ed1a9dfa73b939.md

@@ -73,4 +73,8 @@ xjEGHsDrd2gT5iWlB3vBZvi+6Ybs4rSq+gyZzVm1/+oRrMen32fz2r0CLgUtHok2
 + 1992-10-10 (Sat, 10 Oct 92 11:04:58 PDT) - Mr. Squirrel? - _Hal \<74076.1041@CompuServe.COM\>_
   + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 05:02:06 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel?  Just who is whom here?](/archive/1992/10/4c67e79a2ec7344d27550db884c628f037f2077d684ba8190ca763a77730d2bc) - _hugh@domingo.teracons.com (Hugh Daniel)_
     + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 08:58:32 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel?  Just who is whom here?](/archive/1992/10/b522b87517a2d84b579f40e313b2fa857de956c060f703f320fd96498bfcfd60) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+    + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 09:03:14 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel?  Just who is who here?](/archive/1992/10/a529ffcb0e842a6e9c06a5383ffcccf371e0f82990315ad61805d7f2c4e8c9d1) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 09:15:29 PDT) - [Mail headers](/archive/1992/10/fd8673bdc1ee18f17aa79922a2e2a46b093d0152017946f6c015599da76f42d6) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+      + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 10:53:19 PDT) - [Re: Mail headers](/archive/1992/10/c0dd210fad292f455520dacfda62fa94ee3cdbbe0779073489342f687a164bea) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+        + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 13:25:13 PDT) - [Mail headers](/archive/1992/10/85bf1b529ac7f0ed67423c59c35efc0036b3344f95a66287da6187b21deec4c8) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
 

_emails/1992/10/aa4ce8970b83924042b4db610a7bd986514f98bf7dffd14a05363fce934e7c9c.md

@@ -58,4 +58,5 @@ Perry
 + 1992-10-19 (Mon, 19 Oct 92 02:21:17 PDT) - [one time pads.](/archive/1992/10/ed656b95f52bf63782f7b835e6ae14c1bd892422ed6422815953acd9285309f7) - _hkhenson@cup.portal.com_
   + 1992-10-19 (Mon, 19 Oct 92 08:48:48 PDT) - [one time pads.](/archive/1992/10/01dd3338e31b454f5ddf16d8d379d36e6690381811c64d219d0f07c6a96a902b) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
     + 1992-10-20 (Mon, 19 Oct 92 17:09:14 PDT) - one time pads. - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+  + 1992-10-20 (Mon, 19 Oct 92 17:08:26 PDT) - [one time pads.](/archive/1992/10/982bfab097835a0b9df7a1a47c0ff991a4eb6abe41550d202592d6b68280fe9c) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
 

_emails/1992/10/aa53c7eb3d16e72286fbd184c013bd5ced033edc6ae0025925d8643d6f7da553.md

@@ -0,0 +1,60 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-17 - physical security
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+To: cypherpunks@toad.com<br>
+Message Hash: aa53c7eb3d16e72286fbd184c013bd5ced033edc6ae0025925d8643d6f7da553<br>
+Message ID: \<9210172114.AA28842@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+Reply To: \<9210160007.AA18430@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-17 21:15:21 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Sat, 17 Oct 92 14:15:21 PDT<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: Eric Hughes <hughes@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Date: Sat, 17 Oct 92 14:15:21 PDT
+To: cypherpunks@toad.com
+Subject: physical security
+In-Reply-To: <9210160007.AA18430@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Message-ID: <9210172114.AA28842@soda.berkeley.edu>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+
+Physical security for pgp is also necessary if you store your pass
+phrase in memory.
+
+As far as modification, detection is good enough, but you'd better
+make sure your program to detect modifications is not itself
+compromised!  (Does anybody detect an imminent arms race here?)
+
+Eric Hollander is correct.  Ideally, your keys and your encryption
+mechanism should be kept secure.  At some point in the future, a small
+card which contains all of this will be standard equipment, as well as
+a port to plug it into.
+
+Eric
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-15 (Thu, 15 Oct 92 02:23:21 PDT) - [Re: one time pads](/archive/1992/10/5d5b98b544ddca1167fefcf884fb753cc1d761f014b8e779949d089d9d8109ee) - _George A. Gleason \<gg@well.sf.ca.us\>_
+  + 1992-10-16 (Thu, 15 Oct 92 17:08:10 PDT) - [Re: one time pads](/archive/1992/10/6d1555d9ba7e7f5df99b0b1e6d959204e559a393d247f7263b6320400b221fe9) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-16 (Thu, 15 Oct 92 18:03:41 PDT) - [Re: one time pads](/archive/1992/10/12bc0f85f9a646add4c5603e08fe8e538363c6c8b9aa6e63490461eea74314a6) - _Peter Shipley \<shipley@tfs.COM\>_
+    + 1992-10-17 (Sat, 17 Oct 92 14:15:21 PDT) - physical security - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-17 (Sat, 17 Oct 92 13:51:21 PDT) - [one time pads](/archive/1992/10/0e036f820010a6582fb94869cd94a029bdb96479d0b1088f2cf4b213f7bfe1ad) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+

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@@ -71,4 +71,5 @@ Perry
 + 1992-10-20 (Tue, 20 Oct 92 16:53:46 PDT) - [another service](/archive/1992/10/a213894998668de417861789fbaefe97699e97a56f87e2d3099724679904950a) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
   + 1992-10-21 (Tue, 20 Oct 92 17:15:26 PDT) - [Re: another service](/archive/1992/10/9af7c8872cb768aec4b734b169b9ed46da2eb076cd64d2c95a42ccb00e1cc245) - _tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)_
     + 1992-10-21 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 08:23:37 PDT) - another service - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+  + 1992-10-21 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 10:13:36 PDT) - [another service](/archive/1992/10/0912cceab0f80907a16858d095e21307c0dfdff0e2d5f0a591861876e6362dd6) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
 

_emails/1992/10/ad793169286427eaacdc821427e6851f41137b304461302d20d0f1f5eba86bf9.md

@@ -0,0 +1,73 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-23 - Keystone
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)<br>
+To: bill@anubis.network.com<br>
+Message Hash: ad793169286427eaacdc821427e6851f41137b304461302d20d0f1f5eba86bf9<br>
+Message ID: \<9210231827.AA19677@newsu.shearson.com\><br>
+Reply To: \<9210222112.AA06121@anubis.network.com\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-23 19:41:02 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Fri, 23 Oct 92 12:41:02 PDT<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)
+Date: Fri, 23 Oct 92 12:41:02 PDT
+To: bill@anubis.network.com
+Subject: Keystone
+In-Reply-To: <9210222112.AA06121@anubis.network.com>
+Message-ID: <9210231827.AA19677@newsu.shearson.com>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+>From: bill@anubis.network.com (Bill O'Hanlon)
+
+>>I am very interested in seeing such a protocol standardized because I
+>>have another use for it -- secure telephones. Given modern DSPs to do
+>>and cheap V.32bis modems, excellent secure voice communications are
+>>feasable. The presense of code in the public domain to handle secure
+>>encrypted links could be easily dropped right in to this application.
+>>
+
+>I've had much the same idea.  There are a lot of people out there with 
+>PCs equipped with Soundblasters and V.32 modems.
+
+>I can't think of a better way to fight back against that ridiculous
+>FBI Telephone legislation.
+
+Its not quite that simple. The amount of computing horsepower needed
+to do a good digitized voice compression algorithm like CELP is way
+beyond what a PC can do without a DSP. However, having most of the
+link layer encryption stuff out of the way will make the rest of the
+work much easier.
+
+Perry
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-22 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 22:35:21 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/4b028509a502332d7eb20d667f19c0822f161f636956254fb21a228f7050899b) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-22 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 23:35:44 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/fb6cd513252375d40032e5c92dc6f0e2a944525554d20788331d097d9233143d) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+    + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 10:09:30 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/2414b4e9749952e702f40e3ab08b5c8c4f13ba6c41f4fd2ddcc01ba85e3079c8) - _sdw@meaddata.com (Stephen Williams)_
+    + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 13:35:59 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/84e2351d6648c687f5fec6b608e7de0cb065e212c57d655a4d704bf712f6ed8d) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+      + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 14:13:15 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/8722e10812e0640b12e0982471a88ec752fbd3c1119f6bd6e18c8da3d9ff658f) - _bill@anubis.network.com (Bill O'Hanlon)_
+        + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 12:41:02 PDT) - Keystone - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+      + 1992-10-27 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 01:31:25 PPE) - [Re: D-H telnet protocol  *  Cheap secure phones](/archive/1992/10/c2cc2d444b77b30f6b971e53288a50ce203533a134605fb11a06df58bce19331) - _gnu_
+        + 1992-10-27 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 09:08:54 PPE) - [D-H telnet protocol  *  Cheap secure phones](/archive/1992/10/49acbc13ba3cc632670f4cfc79f4b01f3a64e013ad7c1e32eaa0d42f982870c7) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+          + 1992-10-28 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 19:17:46 PPE) - [Re: D-H telnet protocol](/archive/1992/10/2f6194f732940b4af3a69ef751c2643975218d68c9c25f821f3d8d76e9469fa3) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+            + 1992-10-28 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 22:34:58 PPE) - [D-H telnet protocol](/archive/1992/10/29ac1f104c220261d26e5f49f7ec33a8b3ef685752880c3fb0dc3b4c1d71aca1) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+

_emails/1992/10/afb26050bd8399206129b11629f8ae1d40fcbd354e77c0211037fc1e5be5a60a.md

@@ -0,0 +1,56 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-13 - Re: one time pads
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: gnu<br>
+To: George A. Gleason \<gg@well.sf.ca.us\>, cypherpunks<br>
+Message Hash: afb26050bd8399206129b11629f8ae1d40fcbd354e77c0211037fc1e5be5a60a<br>
+Message ID: \<9210131912.AA14835@toad.com\><br>
+Reply To: \<199210130821.AA03658@well.sf.ca.us\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-13 19:12:29 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 12:12:29 PDT<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: gnu
+Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 12:12:29 PDT
+To: George A. Gleason <gg@well.sf.ca.us>, cypherpunks
+Subject: Re: one time pads
+In-Reply-To: <199210130821.AA03658@well.sf.ca.us>
+Message-ID: <9210131912.AA14835@toad.com>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+One time pads don't provide perfect security, George.  They only
+provide perfect security if the opponent doesn't know the contents of
+the pad.  Given that most small organizations are in locations that are
+easily burglarized, ``when lives are at stake'' it would be easy for
+governments to break in, copy the storage medium containing the pad, and
+then read all past and future traffic encrypted with that pad.
+
+All cryptography is economics.  If you make it harder to tap your phone
+lines, but it's cheap to break in, they'll do that.  There is no absolute
+security this side of the grave (and who knows about the other side).
+
+	John
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 01:14:58 PDT) - [Re:  one time pads](/archive/1992/10/1afebd35d2386ecbd3e928fbe8238aa1ae87a785db7db042acce1e283ed3cd16) - _George A. Gleason \<gg@well.sf.ca.us\>_
+  + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 08:51:51 PDT) - [one time pads](/archive/1992/10/59880107a8682ff630340193de22e9bf74179cc0b1399b38c188fa4c661518f3) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 12:12:29 PDT) - Re: one time pads - _gnu_
+

_emails/1992/10/b106cdc1eb583bff16fa9268f26e98be158ce990a6bbf7894c7c2074f047ea51.md

@@ -67,4 +67,6 @@ Perry
 + 1992-10-06 (Tue, 6 Oct 92 15:11:44 PDT) - [re: Nuts & Acorns](/archive/1992/10/3fd0e544238de7181d76d863b77743d4ae1d3dc88e4eaee330999abcb62314cc) - _Tom.Jennings@f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tom Jennings)_
   + 1992-10-06 (Tue, 6 Oct 92 15:59:23 PDT) - Nuts & Acorns - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
     + 1992-10-07 (Tue, 6 Oct 92 17:44:27 PDT) - [Nuts & Acorns](/archive/1992/10/f15e5fceb881331d0abfe3e479ccbe1aaa0955f01737edfcbcb97a68f27288e8) - _tribble@xanadu.com_
+    + 1992-10-07 (Tue, 6 Oct 92 18:30:07 PDT) - [Nuts & Acorns](/archive/1992/10/36549a224c5be99ea489ee28dda78530ba2e60dbae3d82a985c6fcc46cd522f2) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+      + 1992-10-07 (Tue, 6 Oct 92 22:34:13 PDT) - [Re: Nuts & Acorns](/archive/1992/10/a3549267c7685449f179c32000954d1cbe807bbff091a6b3fad08c732f3d8fcd) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
 

_emails/1992/10/b19a4e7de5587cdd9b020544e3ec69f78d61bdb5f100b3328b4e5795df3d237b.md

@@ -48,4 +48,5 @@ Eric
   + 1992-10-24 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 23:27:22 PDT) - [multiple message destinations](/archive/1992/10/cfed7a111fb65e52097c55e2ea241c10fdb3bcd320dc7febef3af4197e8d3fb0) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
     + 1992-10-24 (Sat, 24 Oct 92 02:31:19 PDT) - [multiple message destinations](/archive/1992/10/8de813733f4767b35683f1b680f8fdb5fd2a9f279f4c87fc9d9444001b7eb551) - _tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)_
       + 1992-10-24 (Sat, 24 Oct 92 09:24:30 PDT) - multiple message destinations - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-25 (Sat, 24 Oct 92 19:34:56 PDT) - [multiple message destinations](/archive/1992/10/3c0b89761b1e93b00c3291ea3746200f0ab0e7b9873b929b14418acaffd7958c) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
 

_emails/1992/10/b522b87517a2d84b579f40e313b2fa857de956c060f703f320fd96498bfcfd60.md

@@ -58,4 +58,8 @@ Perry
 + 1992-10-10 (Sat, 10 Oct 92 11:04:58 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel?](/archive/1992/10/a7deae21289e64af8c4c457307bdf1c62cbeb469f75b1613a3ed1a9dfa73b939) - _Hal \<74076.1041@CompuServe.COM\>_
   + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 05:02:06 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel?  Just who is whom here?](/archive/1992/10/4c67e79a2ec7344d27550db884c628f037f2077d684ba8190ca763a77730d2bc) - _hugh@domingo.teracons.com (Hugh Daniel)_
     + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 08:58:32 PDT) - Mr. Squirrel?  Just who is whom here? - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+    + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 09:03:14 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel?  Just who is who here?](/archive/1992/10/a529ffcb0e842a6e9c06a5383ffcccf371e0f82990315ad61805d7f2c4e8c9d1) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 09:15:29 PDT) - [Mail headers](/archive/1992/10/fd8673bdc1ee18f17aa79922a2e2a46b093d0152017946f6c015599da76f42d6) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+      + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 10:53:19 PDT) - [Re: Mail headers](/archive/1992/10/c0dd210fad292f455520dacfda62fa94ee3cdbbe0779073489342f687a164bea) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+        + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 13:25:13 PDT) - [Mail headers](/archive/1992/10/85bf1b529ac7f0ed67423c59c35efc0036b3344f95a66287da6187b21deec4c8) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
 

_emails/1992/10/b71072e5de22f0ee2513a7bc057b82b39ad7284a70bf4913906340f5c39b27b3.md

@@ -59,4 +59,6 @@ e
     + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 14:42:19 PDT) - [BBS E-mail policy Now see if this number is in one of the following ranges:](/archive/1992/10/298d86c630be7b06958a77a0e2a93e61224cded16c21ee64acb6bc0f39e9ecfd) - _tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)_
       + 1992-10-24 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 23:20:44 PDT) - [entropy measures](/archive/1992/10/3c38d48ebe6788447fca198f92d44a9ffa68121b79032804da9a7944dc97d602) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
         + 1992-10-26 (Sun, 25 Oct 92 21:41:19 PPE) - Re: entropy measures - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-26 (Sun, 25 Oct 92 21:29:49 PPE) - [Re: BBS E-mail policy](/archive/1992/10/fbe83ff79794f109159e298eb88fce410a7847d43b87f0d6426ef33b4884b280) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+      + 1992-10-26 (Mon, 26 Oct 92 08:55:04 PPE) - [entropy](/archive/1992/10/9d4dcb1012b41fda6c8f80cb56a7f2aa2e3b85fc1658466140b482591f39088b) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
 

_emails/1992/10/bc5b354247141e46df2c768591ee1dffd7fbc017a03b959da779cf82e2521133.md

@@ -90,4 +90,6 @@ Eric
     + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 14:42:19 PDT) - [BBS E-mail policy Now see if this number is in one of the following ranges:](/archive/1992/10/298d86c630be7b06958a77a0e2a93e61224cded16c21ee64acb6bc0f39e9ecfd) - _tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)_
       + 1992-10-24 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 23:20:44 PDT) - [entropy measures](/archive/1992/10/3c38d48ebe6788447fca198f92d44a9ffa68121b79032804da9a7944dc97d602) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
         + 1992-10-26 (Sun, 25 Oct 92 21:41:19 PPE) - [Re: entropy measures](/archive/1992/10/b71072e5de22f0ee2513a7bc057b82b39ad7284a70bf4913906340f5c39b27b3) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-26 (Sun, 25 Oct 92 21:29:49 PPE) - [Re: BBS E-mail policy](/archive/1992/10/fbe83ff79794f109159e298eb88fce410a7847d43b87f0d6426ef33b4884b280) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+      + 1992-10-26 (Mon, 26 Oct 92 08:55:04 PPE) - [entropy](/archive/1992/10/9d4dcb1012b41fda6c8f80cb56a7f2aa2e3b85fc1658466140b482591f39088b) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
 

_emails/1992/10/c0dd210fad292f455520dacfda62fa94ee3cdbbe0779073489342f687a164bea.md

@@ -0,0 +1,54 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-13 - Re: Mail headers
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: gnu@cygnus.com<br>
+To: Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+Message Hash: c0dd210fad292f455520dacfda62fa94ee3cdbbe0779073489342f687a164bea<br>
+Message ID: \<9210131800.AA10408@cygnus.com\><br>
+Reply To: \<9210131622.AA25597@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-13 17:53:19 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 10:53:19 PDT<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: gnu@cygnus.com
+Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 10:53:19 PDT
+To: Eric Hughes <hughes@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Subject: Re: Mail headers
+In-Reply-To: <9210131622.AA25597@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Message-ID: <9210131800.AA10408@cygnus.com>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+We have standards already for a fully encrypted email system.  It's
+called PEM, Privacy Enhanced Mail.  It'd be completely senseless to come
+up with a different format at this point, as PEM is on the verge of
+deployment.
+
+	John
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-10 (Sat, 10 Oct 92 11:04:58 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel?](/archive/1992/10/a7deae21289e64af8c4c457307bdf1c62cbeb469f75b1613a3ed1a9dfa73b939) - _Hal \<74076.1041@CompuServe.COM\>_
+  + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 05:02:06 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel?  Just who is whom here?](/archive/1992/10/4c67e79a2ec7344d27550db884c628f037f2077d684ba8190ca763a77730d2bc) - _hugh@domingo.teracons.com (Hugh Daniel)_
+    + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 08:58:32 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel?  Just who is whom here?](/archive/1992/10/b522b87517a2d84b579f40e313b2fa857de956c060f703f320fd96498bfcfd60) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+    + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 09:03:14 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel?  Just who is who here?](/archive/1992/10/a529ffcb0e842a6e9c06a5383ffcccf371e0f82990315ad61805d7f2c4e8c9d1) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 09:15:29 PDT) - [Mail headers](/archive/1992/10/fd8673bdc1ee18f17aa79922a2e2a46b093d0152017946f6c015599da76f42d6) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+      + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 10:53:19 PDT) - Re: Mail headers - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+        + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 13:25:13 PDT) - [Mail headers](/archive/1992/10/85bf1b529ac7f0ed67423c59c35efc0036b3344f95a66287da6187b21deec4c8) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+

_emails/1992/10/c2cc2d444b77b30f6b971e53288a50ce203533a134605fb11a06df58bce19331.md

@@ -0,0 +1,102 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-27 - Re: D-H telnet protocol  *  Cheap secure phones
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: gnu<br>
+To: pmetzger@shearson.com<br>
+Message Hash: c2cc2d444b77b30f6b971e53288a50ce203533a134605fb11a06df58bce19331<br>
+Message ID: \<9210270831.AA29372@toad.com\><br>
+Reply To: \<9210221929.AA16268@newsu.shearson.com\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-27 08:31:25 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 01:31:25 PPE<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: gnu
+Date: Tue, 27 Oct 92 01:31:25 PPE
+To: pmetzger@shearson.com
+Subject: Re: D-H telnet protocol  *  Cheap secure phones
+In-Reply-To: <9210221929.AA16268@newsu.shearson.com>
+Message-ID: <9210270831.AA29372@toad.com>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+> >					(It doesn't protect against
+> >active re-routing of the call, e.g. by substituting another machine
+> >for the BBS, but we could work on that as Phase II.)
+> I would suggest that it be done during phase one. Spoofing attacks are
+> very important things to guard against, ...
+
+Fine, Perry.  You do it.  I want to get some "easy" protection out
+there now.  Easy often turns out to be six months of work all by itself.
+
+> suggest that the protocol be designed so that it does not reveal the
+> entities forming the link to outsiders (unless one end should
+> intentionally advertise who it is...
+
+This is the intent.  The D-H protocol will not reveal any identifying
+information, and the rest of what is transacted will be protected under
+the secret key produced by the D-H protocol.
+
+> I am very interested in seeing such a protocol standardized because I
+> have another use for it -- secure telephones. Given modern DSPs to do
+> and cheap V.32bis modems, excellent secure voice communications are
+> feasable.
+
+There's a "CELP" standard for voice encoding which you can get from
+the Feds.  They used it as an upgrade in STU-III secure phones.  It's
+Federal Standard 1016.  It encodes voice at 4800 bits per second with
+better quality than any known algorithm under 16,000 bits per second
+(so says the paper on it).  If you give it 16 kbits/sec, it is "toll
+quality".
+
+You can get a free copy of the standard, a "technical information
+bulletin 92-1" entitled "Details to Assist in Implementation of Fed
+Standard 1016 CELP", and four floppies full of C and Fortran software
+that implements it, plus test cases, by requesting it from:
+
+	Office of the Manager
+	National Communications System
+	Attn: NT
+	701 S. Court House Road
+	Arlington, VA  22204
+	+1 703 692 2124
+
+Note that this C and Fortran code doesn't run in realtime on workstations;
+it requires a DSP.  But as the "Implementation Details" paper says:
+
+	"A high-quality, low power, small-sized voice processor can be
+	constructed for under $200 parts cost in small quantities by
+	adding to one of these [TMS320C31, DSP56001] DSP chips: ROM,
+	16k words of SRAM, and a Texas Instruments TLC32044 A/D and
+	D/A with filters chip."
+
+
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-22 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 22:35:21 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/4b028509a502332d7eb20d667f19c0822f161f636956254fb21a228f7050899b) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-22 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 23:35:44 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/fb6cd513252375d40032e5c92dc6f0e2a944525554d20788331d097d9233143d) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+    + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 10:09:30 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/2414b4e9749952e702f40e3ab08b5c8c4f13ba6c41f4fd2ddcc01ba85e3079c8) - _sdw@meaddata.com (Stephen Williams)_
+    + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 13:35:59 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/84e2351d6648c687f5fec6b608e7de0cb065e212c57d655a4d704bf712f6ed8d) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+      + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 14:13:15 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/8722e10812e0640b12e0982471a88ec752fbd3c1119f6bd6e18c8da3d9ff658f) - _bill@anubis.network.com (Bill O'Hanlon)_
+        + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 12:41:02 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/ad793169286427eaacdc821427e6851f41137b304461302d20d0f1f5eba86bf9) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+      + 1992-10-27 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 01:31:25 PPE) - Re: D-H telnet protocol  *  Cheap secure phones - _gnu_
+        + 1992-10-27 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 09:08:54 PPE) - [D-H telnet protocol  *  Cheap secure phones](/archive/1992/10/49acbc13ba3cc632670f4cfc79f4b01f3a64e013ad7c1e32eaa0d42f982870c7) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+          + 1992-10-28 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 19:17:46 PPE) - [Re: D-H telnet protocol](/archive/1992/10/2f6194f732940b4af3a69ef751c2643975218d68c9c25f821f3d8d76e9469fa3) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+            + 1992-10-28 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 22:34:58 PPE) - [D-H telnet protocol](/archive/1992/10/29ac1f104c220261d26e5f49f7ec33a8b3ef685752880c3fb0dc3b4c1d71aca1) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+

_emails/1992/10/ce279b19b49d07d1574d291311a0733a6c7c3f25ba24f44c9ebe81f8b10d6b36.md

@@ -73,4 +73,5 @@ INTERNET: Tom.Jennings@f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG
 
 + 1992-10-15 (Thu, 15 Oct 92 02:10:13 PDT) - re: Game items... - _Tom.Jennings@f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tom Jennings)_
   + 1992-10-16 (Thu, 15 Oct 92 17:23:16 PDT) - [Re: Game items...](/archive/1992/10/23def49fd60616a55ca036b06643363d86f2e3d62e1b1ead38adbf49d8495208) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-16 (Thu, 15 Oct 92 18:20:15 PDT) - [Re: Game items...](/archive/1992/10/1a8da726a35681b7e428fa4ab13615b4c14a56838290c0e372e1b02c1170142c) - _Peter Shipley \<shipley@tfs.COM\>_
 

_emails/1992/10/cfed7a111fb65e52097c55e2ea241c10fdb3bcd320dc7febef3af4197e8d3fb0.md

@@ -58,4 +58,5 @@ Eric
   + 1992-10-24 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 23:27:22 PDT) - multiple message destinations - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
     + 1992-10-24 (Sat, 24 Oct 92 02:31:19 PDT) - [multiple message destinations](/archive/1992/10/8de813733f4767b35683f1b680f8fdb5fd2a9f279f4c87fc9d9444001b7eb551) - _tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)_
       + 1992-10-24 (Sat, 24 Oct 92 09:24:30 PDT) - [multiple message destinations](/archive/1992/10/b19a4e7de5587cdd9b020544e3ec69f78d61bdb5f100b3328b4e5795df3d237b) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-25 (Sat, 24 Oct 92 19:34:56 PDT) - [multiple message destinations](/archive/1992/10/3c0b89761b1e93b00c3291ea3746200f0ab0e7b9873b929b14418acaffd7958c) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
 

_emails/1992/10/d32ab444f4044886748c9a60c1e2f00026b6d8ea107bfaea0a9cc1ae7ccf8b45.md

@@ -0,0 +1,49 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-20 - Re: Tempest.
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+To: nobody@soda.berkeley.edu<br>
+Message Hash: d32ab444f4044886748c9a60c1e2f00026b6d8ea107bfaea0a9cc1ae7ccf8b45<br>
+Message ID: \<9210201839.AA08315@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+Reply To: \<9210201452.AA01970@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-20 18:40:12 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Tue, 20 Oct 92 11:40:12 PDT<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: Eric Hollander <hh@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Date: Tue, 20 Oct 92 11:40:12 PDT
+To: nobody@soda.berkeley.edu
+Subject: Re: Tempest.
+In-Reply-To: <9210201452.AA01970@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Message-ID: <9210201839.AA08315@soda.berkeley.edu>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+
+Like I said, just carry everything (keys and software) on your laptop.  As
+soon as the Mac port of the pgp is finished, that's what I'll do.
+
+e
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-20 (Tue, 20 Oct 92 07:52:54 PDT) - [Tempest.](/archive/1992/10/a7121e6b58f5793e8ce72a9ffb013118c78d58b101b27a1b146700db360f8607) - _nobody@soda.berkeley.edu_
+  + 1992-10-20 (Tue, 20 Oct 92 09:15:10 PDT) - [Tempest.](/archive/1992/10/9e84d4e02ea65ce14fce0d171ef88d618ef9a2c7078fabeaa88d63189c385067) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-20 (Tue, 20 Oct 92 11:40:12 PDT) - Re: Tempest. - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+

_emails/1992/10/d39a783a959e253081f258dbda12f715a66b968015351fb34d96fef342090516.md

@@ -50,4 +50,5 @@ Eric
 
 + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 07:55:30 PDT) - [Re: Diffie-Hellman](/archive/1992/10/feb1c72c4206b93e4a5f238d42460056f58801e17338462087fc8c6c679b28c9) - _wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart)_
   + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 09:30:05 PDT) - Diffie-Hellman - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 12:46:25 PDT) - [Diffie-Hellman](/archive/1992/10/814c0e402fe0f4ed056b0610bb9bae35c01bd5701ec896059cc3f10396e8876a) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
 

_emails/1992/10/dbefe9ce00cd47ed9ef4144315bc660edb3c2704e4ded25c391ab61617053e53.md

@@ -66,4 +66,5 @@ Eric
   + 1992-10-23 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 23:22:28 PDT) - Keystone - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
     + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 00:28:19 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/0bfa1d7d1f80cbd3ce39cc23172cc4e724e96af15fbdaf8df16e75cb89f68a9c) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
       + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 10:27:18 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/7eafa220d02ff7674103b943a51cc62015c3bc371211bcd6d8b3a9f5e836b8a1) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 14:46:09 PDT) - [Keystone  "A provider of communications services cannot be held liable for the consequences of encrypted communications that pass though its system."](/archive/1992/10/a2b6c81aae6b0d86d24455bb1e86658ef59e178614156e7ba73b244081f58dc2) - _tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)_
 

_emails/1992/10/ed656b95f52bf63782f7b835e6ae14c1bd892422ed6422815953acd9285309f7.md

@@ -45,4 +45,5 @@ with 600 meg, who cares?  Keith Henson
 + 1992-10-19 (Mon, 19 Oct 92 02:21:17 PDT) - one time pads. - _hkhenson@cup.portal.com_
   + 1992-10-19 (Mon, 19 Oct 92 08:48:48 PDT) - [one time pads.](/archive/1992/10/01dd3338e31b454f5ddf16d8d379d36e6690381811c64d219d0f07c6a96a902b) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
     + 1992-10-20 (Mon, 19 Oct 92 17:09:14 PDT) - [one time pads.](/archive/1992/10/aa4ce8970b83924042b4db610a7bd986514f98bf7dffd14a05363fce934e7c9c) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+  + 1992-10-20 (Mon, 19 Oct 92 17:08:26 PDT) - [one time pads.](/archive/1992/10/982bfab097835a0b9df7a1a47c0ff991a4eb6abe41550d202592d6b68280fe9c) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
 

_emails/1992/10/f15e5fceb881331d0abfe3e479ccbe1aaa0955f01737edfcbcb97a68f27288e8.md

@@ -47,4 +47,6 @@ dean
 + 1992-10-06 (Tue, 6 Oct 92 15:11:44 PDT) - [re: Nuts & Acorns](/archive/1992/10/3fd0e544238de7181d76d863b77743d4ae1d3dc88e4eaee330999abcb62314cc) - _Tom.Jennings@f111.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tom Jennings)_
   + 1992-10-06 (Tue, 6 Oct 92 15:59:23 PDT) - [Nuts & Acorns](/archive/1992/10/b106cdc1eb583bff16fa9268f26e98be158ce990a6bbf7894c7c2074f047ea51) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
     + 1992-10-07 (Tue, 6 Oct 92 17:44:27 PDT) - Nuts & Acorns - _tribble@xanadu.com_
+    + 1992-10-07 (Tue, 6 Oct 92 18:30:07 PDT) - [Nuts & Acorns](/archive/1992/10/36549a224c5be99ea489ee28dda78530ba2e60dbae3d82a985c6fcc46cd522f2) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+      + 1992-10-07 (Tue, 6 Oct 92 22:34:13 PDT) - [Re: Nuts & Acorns](/archive/1992/10/a3549267c7685449f179c32000954d1cbe807bbff091a6b3fad08c732f3d8fcd) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
 

_emails/1992/10/fb6cd513252375d40032e5c92dc6f0e2a944525554d20788331d097d9233143d.md

@@ -78,4 +78,11 @@ session encryption for the modem users.
 + 1992-10-22 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 22:35:21 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/4b028509a502332d7eb20d667f19c0822f161f636956254fb21a228f7050899b) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
   + 1992-10-22 (Wed, 21 Oct 92 23:35:44 PDT) - Re: Keystone - _gnu@cygnus.com_
     + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 10:09:30 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/2414b4e9749952e702f40e3ab08b5c8c4f13ba6c41f4fd2ddcc01ba85e3079c8) - _sdw@meaddata.com (Stephen Williams)_
+    + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 13:35:59 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/84e2351d6648c687f5fec6b608e7de0cb065e212c57d655a4d704bf712f6ed8d) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+      + 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 14:13:15 PDT) - [Re: Keystone](/archive/1992/10/8722e10812e0640b12e0982471a88ec752fbd3c1119f6bd6e18c8da3d9ff658f) - _bill@anubis.network.com (Bill O'Hanlon)_
+        + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 12:41:02 PDT) - [Keystone](/archive/1992/10/ad793169286427eaacdc821427e6851f41137b304461302d20d0f1f5eba86bf9) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+      + 1992-10-27 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 01:31:25 PPE) - [Re: D-H telnet protocol  *  Cheap secure phones](/archive/1992/10/c2cc2d444b77b30f6b971e53288a50ce203533a134605fb11a06df58bce19331) - _gnu_
+        + 1992-10-27 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 09:08:54 PPE) - [D-H telnet protocol  *  Cheap secure phones](/archive/1992/10/49acbc13ba3cc632670f4cfc79f4b01f3a64e013ad7c1e32eaa0d42f982870c7) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+          + 1992-10-28 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 19:17:46 PPE) - [Re: D-H telnet protocol](/archive/1992/10/2f6194f732940b4af3a69ef751c2643975218d68c9c25f821f3d8d76e9469fa3) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+            + 1992-10-28 (Tue, 27 Oct 92 22:34:58 PPE) - [D-H telnet protocol](/archive/1992/10/29ac1f104c220261d26e5f49f7ec33a8b3ef685752880c3fb0dc3b4c1d71aca1) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
 

_emails/1992/10/fbe83ff79794f109159e298eb88fce410a7847d43b87f0d6426ef33b4884b280.md

@@ -0,0 +1,55 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-26 - Re: BBS E-mail policy
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+To: Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+Message Hash: fbe83ff79794f109159e298eb88fce410a7847d43b87f0d6426ef33b4884b280<br>
+Message ID: \<9210260429.AA29646@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+Reply To: \<9210230601.AA26160@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-26 04:29:49 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Sun, 25 Oct 92 21:29:49 PPE<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: Eric Hollander <hh@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Date: Sun, 25 Oct 92 21:29:49 PPE
+To: Eric Hughes <hughes@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Subject: Re: BBS E-mail policy
+In-Reply-To: <9210230601.AA26160@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Message-ID: <9210260429.AA29646@soda.berkeley.edu>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+
+Re: entropy
+
+I seem to remember that English text is about 1.5 bits per character.  I can
+find a reference if you're interested.
+
+e
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-22 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 09:25:56 PDT) - [BBS E-mail policy](/archive/1992/10/8a24672636a42d5225524b26c5cc78e1b0ba1b62a4c1e1fe1825463951a6b9e0) - _omega@spica.bu.edu (The Omega)_
+  + 1992-10-23 (Thu, 22 Oct 92 23:02:09 PDT) - [BBS E-mail policy](/archive/1992/10/bc5b354247141e46df2c768591ee1dffd7fbc017a03b959da779cf82e2521133) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 14:42:19 PDT) - [BBS E-mail policy Now see if this number is in one of the following ranges:](/archive/1992/10/298d86c630be7b06958a77a0e2a93e61224cded16c21ee64acb6bc0f39e9ecfd) - _tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)_
+      + 1992-10-24 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 23:20:44 PDT) - [entropy measures](/archive/1992/10/3c38d48ebe6788447fca198f92d44a9ffa68121b79032804da9a7944dc97d602) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+        + 1992-10-26 (Sun, 25 Oct 92 21:41:19 PPE) - [Re: entropy measures](/archive/1992/10/b71072e5de22f0ee2513a7bc057b82b39ad7284a70bf4913906340f5c39b27b3) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-26 (Sun, 25 Oct 92 21:29:49 PPE) - Re: BBS E-mail policy - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+      + 1992-10-26 (Mon, 26 Oct 92 08:55:04 PPE) - [entropy](/archive/1992/10/9d4dcb1012b41fda6c8f80cb56a7f2aa2e3b85fc1658466140b482591f39088b) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+

_emails/1992/10/fd8673bdc1ee18f17aa79922a2e2a46b093d0152017946f6c015599da76f42d6.md

@@ -0,0 +1,66 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-10-13 - Mail headers
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+To: CYPHERPUNKS@TOAD.COM<br>
+Message Hash: fd8673bdc1ee18f17aa79922a2e2a46b093d0152017946f6c015599da76f42d6<br>
+Message ID: \<9210131622.AA25597@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+Reply To: \<9210131201.AA12086@domingo.teracons.com\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-10-13 16:15:29 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 09:15:29 PDT<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: Eric Hughes <hughes@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Date: Tue, 13 Oct 92 09:15:29 PDT
+To: CYPHERPUNKS@TOAD.COM
+Subject: Mail headers
+In-Reply-To: <9210131201.AA12086@domingo.teracons.com>
+Message-ID: <9210131622.AA25597@soda.berkeley.edu>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+
+Hugh's comments brought up a idea to me.
+
+RFC 822 is the standard for the format of Internet mail messages.
+Anybody interested in the remailer should eventually read this thing.
+
+In it there is already a standard header field "Encrypted."  It
+accepts two optional arguments, a decryption type and an identifier
+(say, for key lookup).  So we have a way of automatically telling
+encrypted message without doing pattern recognition on the body.
+
+I propose a couple more header fields.  "Digest" for signed message
+digests.  "Key-Mgmt" for the distribution of new keys and key
+compromise certificates, i.e. for automatic key distribution.
+
+What else do we need to make a fairly automated crypto mail system?
+
+Eric
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [October 1992](/archive/1992/10)
+
++ 1992-10-10 (Sat, 10 Oct 92 11:04:58 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel?](/archive/1992/10/a7deae21289e64af8c4c457307bdf1c62cbeb469f75b1613a3ed1a9dfa73b939) - _Hal \<74076.1041@CompuServe.COM\>_
+  + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 05:02:06 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel?  Just who is whom here?](/archive/1992/10/4c67e79a2ec7344d27550db884c628f037f2077d684ba8190ca763a77730d2bc) - _hugh@domingo.teracons.com (Hugh Daniel)_
+    + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 08:58:32 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel?  Just who is whom here?](/archive/1992/10/b522b87517a2d84b579f40e313b2fa857de956c060f703f320fd96498bfcfd60) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+    + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 09:03:14 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel?  Just who is who here?](/archive/1992/10/a529ffcb0e842a6e9c06a5383ffcccf371e0f82990315ad61805d7f2c4e8c9d1) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 09:15:29 PDT) - Mail headers - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+      + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 10:53:19 PDT) - [Re: Mail headers](/archive/1992/10/c0dd210fad292f455520dacfda62fa94ee3cdbbe0779073489342f687a164bea) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+        + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 13:25:13 PDT) - [Mail headers](/archive/1992/10/85bf1b529ac7f0ed67423c59c35efc0036b3344f95a66287da6187b21deec4c8) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+

_emails/1992/10/fe748ec0459677318d9e9d5d0611919b35b8f6e096b4d2ede12008c07f006f28.md

@@ -57,4 +57,6 @@ iuvax!bsu-cs!bsu-ucs!00cchall                | "I hate it when that happens!"
 + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 08:55:18 PDT) - [Re: Mr. Squirrel](/archive/1992/10/1be047fb00ed9b8e7e62a36076bd875e747fc5da248ab50cd0ef9aff7be79589) - _Hal \<74076.1041@CompuServe.COM\>_
   + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 10:04:24 PDT) - Re: Mr. Squirrel - _nowhere@bsu-cs.bsu.edu (Chael Hall)_
     + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 11:49:36 PDT) - [Mr. Squirrel](/archive/1992/10/4449d8423a3d4ccea75be61a5bd0f1ff0f12e8a37191013726ee2d9bfc0c5fb6) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-10-14 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 18:58:39 PDT) - [Matching Text, Headders and Signatures with Crypto Hashes](/archive/1992/10/93c22d4a09c05464dc229bf684957f4a4020b1760fd9767649a9dc90fafe3731) - _hugh@domingo.teracons.com (Hugh Daniel)_
+  + 1992-10-13 (Tue, 13 Oct 92 11:30:35 PDT) - [Re: Mr. Squirrel](/archive/1992/10/22b5c20d41565a4f05316b622c933f2ab64bf02c1533856548bdcd6694a6ae0b) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
 

_emails/1992/10/feb1c72c4206b93e4a5f238d42460056f58801e17338462087fc8c6c679b28c9.md

@@ -59,4 +59,5 @@ only listening to your mail and not tampering with it.
 
 + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 07:55:30 PDT) - Re: Diffie-Hellman - _wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart)_
   + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 09:30:05 PDT) - [Diffie-Hellman](/archive/1992/10/d39a783a959e253081f258dbda12f715a66b968015351fb34d96fef342090516) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-10-23 (Fri, 23 Oct 92 12:46:25 PDT) - [Diffie-Hellman](/archive/1992/10/814c0e402fe0f4ed056b0610bb9bae35c01bd5701ec896059cc3f10396e8876a) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
 

_emails/1992/11/00fa4f7a864f16aefa2ee978462374071fbd476694723ed2e333a3ba84eeaa6c.md

@@ -50,4 +50,9 @@ Eric
 
 + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 05:33:16 PST) - [Re: Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/6b3471fe0ebe7941c96a137de267fe23be787af8b7d38a06d13d9b7072a45262) - _pfarrell@cs.gmu.edu (Pat Farrell)_
   + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 09:37:45 PST) - Secure Key exchange - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 10:37:21 PST) - [Re: Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/6b7079c77d412bd72da1bbcb4aad251791729cf033112fe46764e5d50830918f) - _tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)_
+    + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 11:37:42 PST) - [re: Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/9b271b3374566e5a7d8ded6d05c7f4254eb373bbf716aa30d12748b1e72d9c22) - _"Mark W. Eichin" \<eichin@cygnus.com\>_
+  + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 11:25:34 PST) - [re: Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/9d5a4d3ab2a8dd8b30b8558c708986b467f217f3bc9a2d7074b1aa6371b904cd) - _"Mark W. Eichin" \<eichin@cygnus.com\>_
+    + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 11:54:35 PST) - [Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/1d10e7455e063b19a7a6bd837a6b7e59eed3b1b07afcae6a41fbdf97762c41ae) - _phr@napa.Telebit.COM (Paul Rubin)_
+      + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 12:09:44 PST) - [Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/04625b133f92826c11dc92170e94177288ece14f81479e5348e1bc125f27afca) - _"Mark W. Eichin" \<eichin@cygnus.com\>_
 

_emails/1992/11/04625b133f92826c11dc92170e94177288ece14f81479e5348e1bc125f27afca.md

@@ -0,0 +1,63 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-11-30 - Secure Key exchange
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: "Mark W. Eichin" \<eichin@cygnus.com\><br>
+To: phr@napa.Telebit.COM<br>
+Message Hash: 04625b133f92826c11dc92170e94177288ece14f81479e5348e1bc125f27afca<br>
+Message ID: \<9211302009.AA29816@tweedledumber.cygnus.com\><br>
+Reply To: \<9211301954.AA13674@napa.TELEBIT.COM\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-11-30 20:09:44 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 12:09:44 PST<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: "Mark W. Eichin" <eichin@cygnus.com>
+Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 12:09:44 PST
+To: phr@napa.Telebit.COM
+Subject: Secure Key exchange
+In-Reply-To: <9211301954.AA13674@napa.TELEBIT.COM>
+Message-ID: <9211302009.AA29816@tweedledumber.cygnus.com>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+<phr@napa.Telebit.COM> allegedly asks:
+>> If you meet someone claiming to be John Gilmore,
+>> how will you know he's not an impostor?
+	1) I've met him before. (I wouldn't, for example, sign Tim
+Jennings' key after meeting him for the first time at a cypherpunks
+meeting, since I'd have no other way of identifying him. You, on the
+other hand, may be someone I've met before (do you think so?) so I
+might...) I've interacted with him to a reasonable extend, both
+socially and technically (including one interview with John Markoff.)
+	2) He signs my paychecks -- which is "good enough", since the
+checks clear :-) 
+				_Mark_ <eichin@athena.mit.edu>
+				MIT Student Information Processing Board
+				Cygnus Support <eichin@cygnus.com>
+
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [November 1992](/archive/1992/11)
+
++ 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 05:33:16 PST) - [Re: Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/6b3471fe0ebe7941c96a137de267fe23be787af8b7d38a06d13d9b7072a45262) - _pfarrell@cs.gmu.edu (Pat Farrell)_
+  + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 09:37:45 PST) - [Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/00fa4f7a864f16aefa2ee978462374071fbd476694723ed2e333a3ba84eeaa6c) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 10:37:21 PST) - [Re: Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/6b7079c77d412bd72da1bbcb4aad251791729cf033112fe46764e5d50830918f) - _tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)_
+    + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 11:37:42 PST) - [re: Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/9b271b3374566e5a7d8ded6d05c7f4254eb373bbf716aa30d12748b1e72d9c22) - _"Mark W. Eichin" \<eichin@cygnus.com\>_
+  + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 11:25:34 PST) - [re: Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/9d5a4d3ab2a8dd8b30b8558c708986b467f217f3bc9a2d7074b1aa6371b904cd) - _"Mark W. Eichin" \<eichin@cygnus.com\>_
+    + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 11:54:35 PST) - [Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/1d10e7455e063b19a7a6bd837a6b7e59eed3b1b07afcae6a41fbdf97762c41ae) - _phr@napa.Telebit.COM (Paul Rubin)_
+      + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 12:09:44 PST) - Secure Key exchange - _"Mark W. Eichin" \<eichin@cygnus.com\>_
+

_emails/1992/11/047deb22c089b71d47284e9669cb74bf02fea0f30870ed6c5c0f3da8c0eefca5.md

@@ -0,0 +1,71 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-11-26 - Re: RS232 Crypto Dongle (idea for widely accessible crypto technology)
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: gnu@cygnus.com<br>
+To: karn@qualcomm.com (Phil Karn)<br>
+Message Hash: 047deb22c089b71d47284e9669cb74bf02fea0f30870ed6c5c0f3da8c0eefca5<br>
+Message ID: \<9211260203.AA15805@cygnus.com\><br>
+Reply To: \<9211260047.AA01958@servo\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-11-26 02:04:11 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Wed, 25 Nov 92 18:04:11 PST<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: gnu@cygnus.com
+Date: Wed, 25 Nov 92 18:04:11 PST
+To: karn@qualcomm.com (Phil Karn)
+Subject: Re: RS232 Crypto Dongle (idea for widely accessible crypto technology)
+In-Reply-To: <9211260047.AA01958@servo>
+Message-ID: <9211260203.AA15805@cygnus.com>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+> I had this in mind too. But there's a problem -- if we have to depend
+> on commercial manufacturers to build these things, how will we know if
+> we can really trust them? ...
+> Unless, of course, we can get the technology to build PCMCIA cards
+> ourselves out of readily available parts...
+
+There's an implied assumption in the above that "we" and "commercial
+manufacturers" are not the same people, and that if "we" could build
+the cards "ourselves", then "we" could trust them.  But any of "us"
+builds PCMCIA cards and offers them to "us" for sale, they will have
+to satisfy "us" that "we" truly understand its level of security.
+
+Enough pronouns?  The point is that we can't trust ourselves any more
+than faceless manufacturers.  It's more likely the manufacturers won't
+make some bonehead mistake that renders the system easy to break.  And,
+as dramatized in "Sneakers", even the best people can be pressured by
+the government if they or their loved ones are vulnerable.
+
+John Draper was proposing to manufacture rs232 random number
+generators -- would you buy a used random number from this man?  If
+you could see its design, you might.  If not, probably not.
+
+There's a tradition that security software has to be made available
+in source form because the customers insist on it.  Let's continue this
+trend and make sure it applies to hardware, too.
+
+	John
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [November 1992](/archive/1992/11)
+
++ 1992-11-26 (Wed, 25 Nov 92 16:47:49 PST) - [Re:  RS232 Crypto Dongle (idea for widely accessible crypto technology)](/archive/1992/11/62b0583474d215b3c6bee3e565a07d0cccb549993e811853400d30abbc5f5864) - _karn@qualcomm.com (Phil Karn)_
+  + 1992-11-26 (Wed, 25 Nov 92 17:23:22 PST) - [Crypto Dongles and Tamper-Resistant Modules](/archive/1992/11/a404e506f9bc1ef8e6e95e8ddcb264fff02916261981bb7232d8a1c264bf0c16) - _tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)_
+  + 1992-11-26 (Wed, 25 Nov 92 18:04:11 PST) - Re: RS232 Crypto Dongle (idea for widely accessible crypto technology) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+

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@@ -0,0 +1,69 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-11-13 - Rander box and other stuff
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)<br>
+To: crunch@netcom.com<br>
+Message Hash: 08730ddcc51f42250211d59d9132026805ff3c476c36e573e6763457d8e7fbfd<br>
+Message ID: \<9211131631.AA23673@newsu.shearson.com\><br>
+Reply To: \<9211130757.AA27092@netcom2.netcom.com\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-11-13 16:47:05 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 08:47:05 PST<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)
+Date: Fri, 13 Nov 92 08:47:05 PST
+To: crunch@netcom.com
+Subject: Rander box and other stuff
+In-Reply-To: <9211130757.AA27092@netcom2.netcom.com>
+Message-ID: <9211131631.AA23673@newsu.shearson.com>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+>From: crunch@netcom.com (John Draper)
+
+>   I think I have a rough description of the hardware serial random
+>generator I want to build.    I want to call it the "Rander box" for
+>lack of a better name.
+
+>   It will have two serial connectors,   one an input,  and other the
+>output,   and connect to a modem or serial port.   Physically,  it should
+>have dip switch to select baud rate,   and an on-off switch.
+
+>   When switched on,   and a "cr" (or some other character) is sent to it,
+>random bytes will stream out continiously.   Another "cr" will stop the
+>byte stream.    At least this is ONE approach.   If anyone can think of
+>a better way,  Pse speak up.
+
+Why two serial connectors? RS232 is bidirectional, so you could send
+control signals down the same pipe the output comes off of. Also, why
+bother decoding the CRs? Seems like overkill. You could just have
+CTS/RTS or other lines on the connector control whether bits are
+clocked out or not. 
+
+Perry
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [November 1992](/archive/1992/11)
+
++ 1992-11-13 (Fri, 13 Nov 92 00:00:51 PST) - [Rander box and other stuff](/archive/1992/11/46345b81d284865b9910032cc6ce9e25cc1a389e84d39604a39d1f70dd55a333) - _crunch@netcom.com (John Draper)_
+  + 1992-11-13 (Fri, 13 Nov 92 01:20:39 PST) - [Rander box](/archive/1992/11/1d81ee929c8107e972ecf57a8dbcc1d1427eb34f69afab034e5307d96ecb6e1a) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+    + 1992-11-13 (Fri, 13 Nov 92 08:47:10 PST) - [Rander box](/archive/1992/11/f84499caa9c6fde939b2d337b764fbe9e5550b43d60873b917846c696f2729d7) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+      + 1992-11-13 (Fri, 13 Nov 92 09:21:09 PST) - [Rander box](/archive/1992/11/e0200c965cf15e4312ff9a6ced3adbd63b333f8c6515bc99c898ff5420028779) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-11-13 (Fri, 13 Nov 92 08:47:05 PST) - Rander box and other stuff - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+  + 1992-11-13 (Fri, 13 Nov 92 11:04:31 PST) - [Re: Rander box and other stuff](/archive/1992/11/fe4f65e321c5b0ad4c8e3fde3bff88d4ab8491868eb7603563d2455431debb8a) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+

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@@ -0,0 +1,69 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-11-09 - Analysis of cost to produce random serail generator.
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)<br>
+To: crunch@netcom.com<br>
+Message Hash: 134290fd9d948f51f68ca442ba2858445fcc94efa7c9bc6d33c11c652a1ff245<br>
+Message ID: \<9211092238.AA05660@newsu.shearson.com\><br>
+Reply To: \<9211092136.AA25999@netcom2.netcom.com\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-11-09 23:09:26 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 15:09:26 PST<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)
+Date: Mon, 9 Nov 92 15:09:26 PST
+To: crunch@netcom.com
+Subject: Analysis of cost to produce random serail generator.
+In-Reply-To: <9211092136.AA25999@netcom2.netcom.com>
+Message-ID: <9211092238.AA05660@newsu.shearson.com>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+>From: crunch@netcom.com (John Draper)
+
+>Although,   it IS possible to use a cesium noise source (Don't know
+>the cost of that)  and perhaps I can cut that price down by about
+>a half or a third,  but the design time would be much increased,
+>and perhaps there would be twice as much electronics,  and perhaps
+>the posibility that the randomness won't be as good.
+
+Remember also that a radioactive source thats decaying fast enough to
+put out 20,000 bits a second the way the RBG1210 can isn't something
+you want to stand near.
+
+>Total parts		$63.50  (100 quantity) 
+>
+>Cost (4 X parts)       $254.00   
+
+I don't get this -- why is cost four times parts? Is that including
+profit?
+
+Also, shouldn't it just be possible to buy a couple of components and
+do as well as the Newbridge Micro unit? It would seem that we should
+be able to build something a lot cheaper than $52 if all we need is a
+noise source that will make a line go high or low on a clock input...
+
+Perry
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [November 1992](/archive/1992/11)
+
++ 1992-11-09 (Mon, 9 Nov 92 13:39:59 PST) - [Analysis of cost to produce random serail generator.](/archive/1992/11/cd86dc3c055d5224fb137866bf57aff63ce4d514eaaf1a8b0f31d6a450f09e0e) - _crunch@netcom.com (John Draper)_
+  + 1992-11-09 (Mon, 9 Nov 92 15:09:09 PST) - [Re: Analysis of cost to produce random serail generator.](/archive/1992/11/3de4239d0a7796712031d11148bfd6fd8105e825c351137a76c0688400af6096) - _pozar@kumr.lns.com (Tim Pozar)_
+  + 1992-11-09 (Mon, 9 Nov 92 15:09:26 PST) - Analysis of cost to produce random serail generator. - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+

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@@ -77,4 +77,5 @@ to say about bundling privacy software along with Macs?
 
 + 1992-11-12 (Thu, 12 Nov 92 03:07:32 PST) - Re:  (fwd) A Silver Bullet to Limit Crypto? - _George A. Gleason \<gg@well.sf.ca.us\>_
   + 1992-11-12 (Thu, 12 Nov 92 07:57:00 PST) - [(fwd) A Silver Bullet to Limit Crypto?](/archive/1992/11/f3477488c96030fc32f332097f54f4f2acaf05dc3ce5491819e6e07219542274) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-11-12 (Thu, 12 Nov 92 07:59:57 PST) - [(fwd) A Silver Bullet to Limit Crypto?](/archive/1992/11/3d2d60383d8ef4f2e0efbd9338cbbe1e889d060b9a8a9990cc1cd55e042673d3) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
 

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@@ -66,10 +66,15 @@ Perry
 ## Thread
 
 + Return to [November 1992](/archive/1992/11)
++ Return to [December 1992](/archive/1992/12)
 
 + 1992-11-29 (Sun, 29 Nov 92 14:08:03 PST) - [thoughts on digital cash](/archive/1992/11/77dcd10745bcb48bc3550e07e37c7dc340ec509552cecd16ccd2059517178eb8) - _Marc Horowitz \<marc@MIT.EDU\>_
   + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 06:10:54 PST) - thoughts on digital cash - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
     + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 09:43:34 PST) - [thoughts on digital cash](/archive/1992/11/c0569313bf922dec7c00ee61600edef3bc598b8853b613e326ead625f00f1079) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
       + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 12:38:24 PST) - [thoughts on digital cash](/archive/1992/11/c02ecef5abc76307bf76766ac0e1398dd1cab9da29842d557ad7f76662742050) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
         + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 14:14:20 PST) - [thoughts on digital cash](/archive/1992/11/d3b14c5efed26ef0adf6fe5f4a11113c4ff3fb9e6dca23e8bc93b673a85a456e) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+        + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 14:41:53 PST) - [thoughts on digital cash](/archive/1992/11/686879dfc7487ff280df6d9f7b22b11c4e5a10d6400e25e9f082434151fd226a) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+          + 1992-12-01 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 18:39:37 PST) - [thoughts on digital cash](/archive/1992/12/854c10e5e8fe0877eecc81a7d42abe00b80fa7fbf16af6c45dc0ea542de48082) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+            + 1992-12-01 (Tue, 1 Dec 92 00:40:47 PST) - [thoughts on digital cash](/archive/1992/12/69fcb47a73fdf0d0892bf7df165c9a5dbc7686decd7255ed48815605c1215618) - _tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)_
+        + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 15:45:30 PST) - [Re: thoughts on digital cash](/archive/1992/11/21a73d598934862f6d2ad6313474de91693b730254df4e50b341cbc301dbe0d6) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
 

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@@ -0,0 +1,58 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-11-30 - Secure Key exchange
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: phr@napa.Telebit.COM (Paul Rubin)<br>
+To: eichin@cygnus.com<br>
+Message Hash: 1d10e7455e063b19a7a6bd837a6b7e59eed3b1b07afcae6a41fbdf97762c41ae<br>
+Message ID: \<9211301954.AA13674@napa.TELEBIT.COM\><br>
+Reply To: \<9211301925.AA29778@tweedledumber.cygnus.com\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-11-30 19:54:35 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 11:54:35 PST<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: phr@napa.Telebit.COM (Paul Rubin)
+Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 11:54:35 PST
+To: eichin@cygnus.com
+Subject: Secure Key exchange
+In-Reply-To: <9211301925.AA29778@tweedledumber.cygnus.com>
+Message-ID: <9211301954.AA13674@napa.TELEBIT.COM>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+	    I have at this point signed keys of 6 people (the first three
+    over dinner at a chinese restaurant -- this didn't start a trend,
+    unfortunately :-) I haven't signed John Gilmore's key (even though I
+    work for him) since I haven't actually seen him in person, though I
+    may get a chance to when I'm in California next week -- this will
+    create a link between east-coast and west-coast signatures, though
+    possibly not the first.
+
+If you meet someone claiming to be John Gilmore,
+how will you know he's not an impostor?
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [November 1992](/archive/1992/11)
+
++ 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 05:33:16 PST) - [Re: Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/6b3471fe0ebe7941c96a137de267fe23be787af8b7d38a06d13d9b7072a45262) - _pfarrell@cs.gmu.edu (Pat Farrell)_
+  + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 09:37:45 PST) - [Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/00fa4f7a864f16aefa2ee978462374071fbd476694723ed2e333a3ba84eeaa6c) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 10:37:21 PST) - [Re: Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/6b7079c77d412bd72da1bbcb4aad251791729cf033112fe46764e5d50830918f) - _tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)_
+    + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 11:37:42 PST) - [re: Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/9b271b3374566e5a7d8ded6d05c7f4254eb373bbf716aa30d12748b1e72d9c22) - _"Mark W. Eichin" \<eichin@cygnus.com\>_
+  + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 11:25:34 PST) - [re: Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/9d5a4d3ab2a8dd8b30b8558c708986b467f217f3bc9a2d7074b1aa6371b904cd) - _"Mark W. Eichin" \<eichin@cygnus.com\>_
+    + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 11:54:35 PST) - Secure Key exchange - _phr@napa.Telebit.COM (Paul Rubin)_
+      + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 12:09:44 PST) - [Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/04625b133f92826c11dc92170e94177288ece14f81479e5348e1bc125f27afca) - _"Mark W. Eichin" \<eichin@cygnus.com\>_
+

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@@ -75,4 +75,6 @@ Eric
   + 1992-11-13 (Fri, 13 Nov 92 01:20:39 PST) - Rander box - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
     + 1992-11-13 (Fri, 13 Nov 92 08:47:10 PST) - [Rander box](/archive/1992/11/f84499caa9c6fde939b2d337b764fbe9e5550b43d60873b917846c696f2729d7) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
       + 1992-11-13 (Fri, 13 Nov 92 09:21:09 PST) - [Rander box](/archive/1992/11/e0200c965cf15e4312ff9a6ced3adbd63b333f8c6515bc99c898ff5420028779) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-11-13 (Fri, 13 Nov 92 08:47:05 PST) - [Rander box and other stuff](/archive/1992/11/08730ddcc51f42250211d59d9132026805ff3c476c36e573e6763457d8e7fbfd) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+  + 1992-11-13 (Fri, 13 Nov 92 11:04:31 PST) - [Re: Rander box and other stuff](/archive/1992/11/fe4f65e321c5b0ad4c8e3fde3bff88d4ab8491868eb7603563d2455431debb8a) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
 

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@@ -0,0 +1,57 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-11-30 - Re: thoughts on digital cash
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+To: pmetzger@shearson.com<br>
+Message Hash: 21a73d598934862f6d2ad6313474de91693b730254df4e50b341cbc301dbe0d6<br>
+Message ID: \<9211302344.AA06143@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+Reply To: \<9211301957.AA10429@newsu.shearson.com\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-11-30 23:45:30 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 15:45:30 PST<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: Eric Hollander <hh@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 15:45:30 PST
+To: pmetzger@shearson.com
+Subject: Re: thoughts on digital cash
+In-Reply-To: <9211301957.AA10429@newsu.shearson.com>
+Message-ID: <9211302344.AA06143@soda.berkeley.edu>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+
+We should just write all the software to fully automate the system, get
+lightweight hardware for it and some solar panels and launch it into orbit.
+Whose jurisdiction is that?
+
+e
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [November 1992](/archive/1992/11)
++ Return to [December 1992](/archive/1992/12)
+
++ 1992-11-29 (Sun, 29 Nov 92 14:08:03 PST) - [thoughts on digital cash](/archive/1992/11/77dcd10745bcb48bc3550e07e37c7dc340ec509552cecd16ccd2059517178eb8) - _Marc Horowitz \<marc@MIT.EDU\>_
+  + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 06:10:54 PST) - [thoughts on digital cash](/archive/1992/11/1b31ab872ddca38b86bf4a3c8d1e440afe5a86966aa4760e84fb0adf3361fbd4) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+    + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 09:43:34 PST) - [thoughts on digital cash](/archive/1992/11/c0569313bf922dec7c00ee61600edef3bc598b8853b613e326ead625f00f1079) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+      + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 12:38:24 PST) - [thoughts on digital cash](/archive/1992/11/c02ecef5abc76307bf76766ac0e1398dd1cab9da29842d557ad7f76662742050) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+        + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 14:14:20 PST) - [thoughts on digital cash](/archive/1992/11/d3b14c5efed26ef0adf6fe5f4a11113c4ff3fb9e6dca23e8bc93b673a85a456e) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+        + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 14:41:53 PST) - [thoughts on digital cash](/archive/1992/11/686879dfc7487ff280df6d9f7b22b11c4e5a10d6400e25e9f082434151fd226a) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+          + 1992-12-01 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 18:39:37 PST) - [thoughts on digital cash](/archive/1992/12/854c10e5e8fe0877eecc81a7d42abe00b80fa7fbf16af6c45dc0ea542de48082) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+            + 1992-12-01 (Tue, 1 Dec 92 00:40:47 PST) - [thoughts on digital cash](/archive/1992/12/69fcb47a73fdf0d0892bf7df165c9a5dbc7686decd7255ed48815605c1215618) - _tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)_
+        + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 15:45:30 PST) - Re: thoughts on digital cash - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+

_emails/1992/11/325b87e5a2a0f88802547576a1d07db9ab9bb16d274623ef7d8d4de3f1f4cc49.md

@@ -59,4 +59,5 @@ rounds..."  Eee-yow, we can do better than that!
 
 + 1992-11-25 (Wed, 25 Nov 92 02:03:52 PST) - Re:  Question about the MacPGP - _George A. Gleason \<gg@well.sf.ca.us\>_
   + 1992-11-25 (Wed, 25 Nov 92 10:30:40 PST) - [PGP on local machine (was Re: MacPGP)](/archive/1992/11/f0b1f7e848ae5fddd93f4e45a512604d80ad56bdf92ad410498a93c21f3d9b5c) - _Eli Brandt \<ebrandt@jarthur.Claremont.EDU\>_
+  + 1992-11-25 (Wed, 25 Nov 92 15:31:10 PST) - [ease of use of encryption](/archive/1992/11/bccb260680946d9e0c5cbf4df4e37b50597a6c0502d736b0f248bdd92277d401) - _yanek@novavax.nova.edu (Yanek Martinson)_
 

_emails/1992/11/3b6366284db0eced9f4c4c1bb741a2a453f105b12f9222da583e5636cffbf0b4.md

@@ -63,4 +63,5 @@ by the threat of prosecution.
 
 + 1992-11-20 (Fri, 20 Nov 92 00:29:17 PST) - Re: How far is to far? - _George A. Gleason \<gg@well.sf.ca.us\>_
   + 1992-11-20 (Fri, 20 Nov 92 04:11:08 PST) - [Re: How far is to far?](/archive/1992/11/76971c014275d8efcb6dd8fb0615b415d998c1127d4a7e6cffe07a4200719d25) - _miron@extropia.wimsey.com (Miron Cuperman)_
+  + 1992-11-20 (Fri, 20 Nov 92 14:19:20 PST) - ["Young Men's Crypto Association," (YMCA)](/archive/1992/11/b6a8e8cd4e1615ad297729261a7b4769c7fa69dd57669d3420229bac2e7f1c6f) - _tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)_
 

_emails/1992/11/3d2d60383d8ef4f2e0efbd9338cbbe1e889d060b9a8a9990cc1cd55e042673d3.md

@@ -0,0 +1,53 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-11-12 - (fwd) A Silver Bullet to Limit Crypto?
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+To: cypherpunks@toad.com<br>
+Message Hash: 3d2d60383d8ef4f2e0efbd9338cbbe1e889d060b9a8a9990cc1cd55e042673d3<br>
+Message ID: \<9211121600.AA25453@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+Reply To: \<199211121106.AA25693@well.sf.ca.us\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-11-12 15:59:57 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 07:59:57 PST<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: Eric Hughes <hughes@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Date: Thu, 12 Nov 92 07:59:57 PST
+To: cypherpunks@toad.com
+Subject: (fwd) A Silver Bullet to Limit Crypto?
+In-Reply-To: <199211121106.AA25693@well.sf.ca.us>
+Message-ID: <9211121600.AA25453@soda.berkeley.edu>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+
+Re: Apple include a PKS with their Macs
+
+Well, Apple does have a site license for RSA.  Tim Oren, who's on the
+list, knows more about this than I.  I ask him to respond.
+
+Maybe Apple could license the PGP code as a system utility?
+
+Eric
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [November 1992](/archive/1992/11)
+
++ 1992-11-12 (Thu, 12 Nov 92 03:07:32 PST) - [Re:  (fwd) A Silver Bullet to Limit Crypto?](/archive/1992/11/19def675e5198e20e0190e070c3b59345f68bb76fd2dbe1d2c3cecc0cf8ea209) - _George A. Gleason \<gg@well.sf.ca.us\>_
+  + 1992-11-12 (Thu, 12 Nov 92 07:57:00 PST) - [(fwd) A Silver Bullet to Limit Crypto?](/archive/1992/11/f3477488c96030fc32f332097f54f4f2acaf05dc3ce5491819e6e07219542274) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-11-12 (Thu, 12 Nov 92 07:59:57 PST) - (fwd) A Silver Bullet to Limit Crypto? - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+

_emails/1992/11/3de4239d0a7796712031d11148bfd6fd8105e825c351137a76c0688400af6096.md

@@ -57,4 +57,5 @@ Voice:    +1 415 788 2022
 
 + 1992-11-09 (Mon, 9 Nov 92 13:39:59 PST) - [Analysis of cost to produce random serail generator.](/archive/1992/11/cd86dc3c055d5224fb137866bf57aff63ce4d514eaaf1a8b0f31d6a450f09e0e) - _crunch@netcom.com (John Draper)_
   + 1992-11-09 (Mon, 9 Nov 92 15:09:09 PST) - Re: Analysis of cost to produce random serail generator. - _pozar@kumr.lns.com (Tim Pozar)_
+  + 1992-11-09 (Mon, 9 Nov 92 15:09:26 PST) - [Analysis of cost to produce random serail generator.](/archive/1992/11/134290fd9d948f51f68ca442ba2858445fcc94efa7c9bc6d33c11c652a1ff245) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
 

_emails/1992/11/46345b81d284865b9910032cc6ce9e25cc1a389e84d39604a39d1f70dd55a333.md

@@ -100,4 +100,6 @@ John D.
   + 1992-11-13 (Fri, 13 Nov 92 01:20:39 PST) - [Rander box](/archive/1992/11/1d81ee929c8107e972ecf57a8dbcc1d1427eb34f69afab034e5307d96ecb6e1a) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
     + 1992-11-13 (Fri, 13 Nov 92 08:47:10 PST) - [Rander box](/archive/1992/11/f84499caa9c6fde939b2d337b764fbe9e5550b43d60873b917846c696f2729d7) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
       + 1992-11-13 (Fri, 13 Nov 92 09:21:09 PST) - [Rander box](/archive/1992/11/e0200c965cf15e4312ff9a6ced3adbd63b333f8c6515bc99c898ff5420028779) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-11-13 (Fri, 13 Nov 92 08:47:05 PST) - [Rander box and other stuff](/archive/1992/11/08730ddcc51f42250211d59d9132026805ff3c476c36e573e6763457d8e7fbfd) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+  + 1992-11-13 (Fri, 13 Nov 92 11:04:31 PST) - [Re: Rander box and other stuff](/archive/1992/11/fe4f65e321c5b0ad4c8e3fde3bff88d4ab8491868eb7603563d2455431debb8a) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
 

_emails/1992/11/558b79ce7b2660f694b1451a90fe156a94fc0646c6b1a83ec71cb5dd3582b324.md

@@ -0,0 +1,52 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-11-26 - Electronic Banking
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)<br>
+To: uunet!netcom.com!tcmay@uunet.UU.NET<br>
+Message Hash: 558b79ce7b2660f694b1451a90fe156a94fc0646c6b1a83ec71cb5dd3582b324<br>
+Message ID: \<9211260619.AA04606@xanadu.xanadu.com\><br>
+Reply To: \<9211252219.AA00550@netcom.netcom.com\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-11-26 06:38:29 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Wed, 25 Nov 92 22:38:29 PST<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)
+Date: Wed, 25 Nov 92 22:38:29 PST
+To: uunet!netcom.com!tcmay@uunet.UU.NET
+Subject: Electronic Banking
+In-Reply-To: <9211252219.AA00550@netcom.netcom.com>
+Message-ID: <9211260619.AA04606@xanadu.xanadu.com>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+Currencies will almost certainly have to be backed by goods in order
+to be astablished.  Would you want to keep your money in something
+that could collapse easily?  There's been a lot of thought put into
+using things like mutual fund shares as the currency.
+
+dean
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [November 1992](/archive/1992/11)
+
++ 1992-11-25 (Wed, 25 Nov 92 13:04:57 PST) - [Electronic Banking](/archive/1992/11/93109c2781c634801095708fd817235d59bbd355e7f23706a6a1c2d8ae1965bb) - _ghsvax!hal@uunet.UU.NET (Hal Finney)_
+  + 1992-11-25 (Wed, 25 Nov 92 14:23:18 PST) - [Re: Electronic Banking](/archive/1992/11/cfa0d4114cef89c44b4c718985b22156aeda2e6a1bfee3038382d45db1bfba78) - _tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)_
+    + 1992-11-25 (Wed, 25 Nov 92 15:58:50 PST) - [Re: Electronic Banking](/archive/1992/11/f17d25e5c11a4ccb65be96d6611f5202f0db49407ec4f8701d339809fc1584ab) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
+    + 1992-11-26 (Wed, 25 Nov 92 22:38:29 PST) - Electronic Banking - _tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)_
+  + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 08:18:40 PST) - [Electronic Banking](/archive/1992/11/7dab3a6e272c2acd81d95818cf0dc0ecea50d22107b77c7fdcd66c4c0c292978) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+

_emails/1992/11/62b0583474d215b3c6bee3e565a07d0cccb549993e811853400d30abbc5f5864.md

@@ -64,4 +64,5 @@ Phil
 
 + 1992-11-26 (Wed, 25 Nov 92 16:47:49 PST) - Re:  RS232 Crypto Dongle (idea for widely accessible crypto technology) - _karn@qualcomm.com (Phil Karn)_
   + 1992-11-26 (Wed, 25 Nov 92 17:23:22 PST) - [Crypto Dongles and Tamper-Resistant Modules](/archive/1992/11/a404e506f9bc1ef8e6e95e8ddcb264fff02916261981bb7232d8a1c264bf0c16) - _tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)_
+  + 1992-11-26 (Wed, 25 Nov 92 18:04:11 PST) - [Re: RS232 Crypto Dongle (idea for widely accessible crypto technology)](/archive/1992/11/047deb22c089b71d47284e9669cb74bf02fea0f30870ed6c5c0f3da8c0eefca5) - _gnu@cygnus.com_
 

_emails/1992/11/686879dfc7487ff280df6d9f7b22b11c4e5a10d6400e25e9f082434151fd226a.md

@@ -0,0 +1,81 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-11-30 - thoughts on digital cash
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+To: cypherpunks@toad.com<br>
+Message Hash: 686879dfc7487ff280df6d9f7b22b11c4e5a10d6400e25e9f082434151fd226a<br>
+Message ID: \<9211302241.AA00770@soda.berkeley.edu\><br>
+Reply To: \<9211301957.AA10429@newsu.shearson.com\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-11-30 22:41:53 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 14:41:53 PST<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: Eric Hughes <hughes@soda.berkeley.edu>
+Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 14:41:53 PST
+To: cypherpunks@toad.com
+Subject: thoughts on digital cash
+In-Reply-To: <9211301957.AA10429@newsu.shearson.com>
+Message-ID: <9211302241.AA00770@soda.berkeley.edu>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+>However, I'm so certain that the law in the U.S. requires
+>that the bank have full information on the holders of all accounts
+>that I'm willing to bet $150 right now with anyone who believes
+>otherwise. 
+
+You've certainly showed us that you believe this Perry, but otherwise
+this statement contains no educational content.  This, to me, sounds
+like a grown-up version of "Is so!!!" backed up by "My bank account
+can beat up your bank account!"
+
+>[...] ID be presented when you open an account (I know that this is
+>now routine practice, although its possible that its only implied
+>from the standards used to determine non-compliance rather than
+>directly required by the law.)
+
+I'd really like to know if ID is required or not, for one, because
+that seems to affect the banks liability vis-a-vis presentation of
+false credentials.
+
+You made a claim of fact.  I'm asking for you to provide a reference
+in support of your claim.  Simple rational discourse.
+
+>[...] you are going to fall under the commercial banking or
+>securities laws no matter what you do, Eric. I'm sorry that you don't
+>like this, but its the truth.
+
+Now you're putting words into my mouth.  I made no judgement as to
+whether I thought this was a good state of affairs.
+
+Eric
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [November 1992](/archive/1992/11)
++ Return to [December 1992](/archive/1992/12)
+
++ 1992-11-29 (Sun, 29 Nov 92 14:08:03 PST) - [thoughts on digital cash](/archive/1992/11/77dcd10745bcb48bc3550e07e37c7dc340ec509552cecd16ccd2059517178eb8) - _Marc Horowitz \<marc@MIT.EDU\>_
+  + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 06:10:54 PST) - [thoughts on digital cash](/archive/1992/11/1b31ab872ddca38b86bf4a3c8d1e440afe5a86966aa4760e84fb0adf3361fbd4) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+    + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 09:43:34 PST) - [thoughts on digital cash](/archive/1992/11/c0569313bf922dec7c00ee61600edef3bc598b8853b613e326ead625f00f1079) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+      + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 12:38:24 PST) - [thoughts on digital cash](/archive/1992/11/c02ecef5abc76307bf76766ac0e1398dd1cab9da29842d557ad7f76662742050) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+        + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 14:14:20 PST) - [thoughts on digital cash](/archive/1992/11/d3b14c5efed26ef0adf6fe5f4a11113c4ff3fb9e6dca23e8bc93b673a85a456e) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+        + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 14:41:53 PST) - thoughts on digital cash - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+          + 1992-12-01 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 18:39:37 PST) - [thoughts on digital cash](/archive/1992/12/854c10e5e8fe0877eecc81a7d42abe00b80fa7fbf16af6c45dc0ea542de48082) - _pmetzger@shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger)_
+            + 1992-12-01 (Tue, 1 Dec 92 00:40:47 PST) - [thoughts on digital cash](/archive/1992/12/69fcb47a73fdf0d0892bf7df165c9a5dbc7686decd7255ed48815605c1215618) - _tribble@xanadu.com (E. Dean Tribble)_
+        + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 15:45:30 PST) - [Re: thoughts on digital cash](/archive/1992/11/21a73d598934862f6d2ad6313474de91693b730254df4e50b341cbc301dbe0d6) - _Eric Hollander \<hh@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+

_emails/1992/11/6b3471fe0ebe7941c96a137de267fe23be787af8b7d38a06d13d9b7072a45262.md

@@ -71,4 +71,9 @@ Write PKP. Offer money for a personal use license for RSA.
 
 + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 05:33:16 PST) - Re: Secure Key exchange - _pfarrell@cs.gmu.edu (Pat Farrell)_
   + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 09:37:45 PST) - [Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/00fa4f7a864f16aefa2ee978462374071fbd476694723ed2e333a3ba84eeaa6c) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 10:37:21 PST) - [Re: Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/6b7079c77d412bd72da1bbcb4aad251791729cf033112fe46764e5d50830918f) - _tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)_
+    + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 11:37:42 PST) - [re: Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/9b271b3374566e5a7d8ded6d05c7f4254eb373bbf716aa30d12748b1e72d9c22) - _"Mark W. Eichin" \<eichin@cygnus.com\>_
+  + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 11:25:34 PST) - [re: Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/9d5a4d3ab2a8dd8b30b8558c708986b467f217f3bc9a2d7074b1aa6371b904cd) - _"Mark W. Eichin" \<eichin@cygnus.com\>_
+    + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 11:54:35 PST) - [Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/1d10e7455e063b19a7a6bd837a6b7e59eed3b1b07afcae6a41fbdf97762c41ae) - _phr@napa.Telebit.COM (Paul Rubin)_
+      + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 12:09:44 PST) - [Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/04625b133f92826c11dc92170e94177288ece14f81479e5348e1bc125f27afca) - _"Mark W. Eichin" \<eichin@cygnus.com\>_
 

_emails/1992/11/6b7079c77d412bd72da1bbcb4aad251791729cf033112fe46764e5d50830918f.md

@@ -0,0 +1,64 @@
+---
+layout: default
+---
+
+# 1992-11-30 - Re: Secure Key exchange
+
+## Header Data
+
+From: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)<br>
+To: pfarrell@cs.gmu.edu<br>
+Message Hash: 6b7079c77d412bd72da1bbcb4aad251791729cf033112fe46764e5d50830918f<br>
+Message ID: \<9211301836.AA20482@tsx-11.MIT.EDU\><br>
+Reply To: \<9211301332.AA10244@cs.gmu.edu\><br>
+UTC Datetime: 1992-11-30 18:37:21 UTC<br>
+Raw Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 10:37:21 PST<br>
+
+## Raw message
+
+```
+{% raw  %}From: tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)
+Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 10:37:21 PST
+To: pfarrell@cs.gmu.edu
+Subject: Re: Secure Key exchange
+In-Reply-To: <9211301332.AA10244@cs.gmu.edu>
+Message-ID: <9211301836.AA20482@tsx-11.MIT.EDU>
+MIME-Version: 1.0
+Content-Type: text/plain
+
+
+   Date: Mon, 30 Nov 92 08:32:45 EST
+   From: pfarrell@cs.gmu.edu (Pat Farrell)
+
+   I sign keys only when I am certian that the key belongs to the human who
+   claims to have the name on the key. There are not a lot of keys signed
+   by me floating arround, maybe six total.....
+
+Ah, but how do we know that it's really you making this statement, and
+not some evil NSA spoofer?  What people need to do is to make their
+key-signinging policies available _signed_ with their private key; that
+way at least we would know that the entity signing the keys and the
+entity claiming that this is its policy are the same.  This helps, but
+we would then still need to trust that the entity is telling the truth
+insofar as its key-signing policy is concerned.
+
+						- Ted
+
+
+
+
+{% endraw %}
+```
+
+## Thread
+
++ Return to [November 1992](/archive/1992/11)
+
++ 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 05:33:16 PST) - [Re: Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/6b3471fe0ebe7941c96a137de267fe23be787af8b7d38a06d13d9b7072a45262) - _pfarrell@cs.gmu.edu (Pat Farrell)_
+  + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 09:37:45 PST) - [Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/00fa4f7a864f16aefa2ee978462374071fbd476694723ed2e333a3ba84eeaa6c) - _Eric Hughes \<hughes@soda.berkeley.edu\>_
+  + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 10:37:21 PST) - Re: Secure Key exchange - _tytso@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Theodore Ts'o)_
+    + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 11:37:42 PST) - [re: Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/9b271b3374566e5a7d8ded6d05c7f4254eb373bbf716aa30d12748b1e72d9c22) - _"Mark W. Eichin" \<eichin@cygnus.com\>_
+  + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 11:25:34 PST) - [re: Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/9d5a4d3ab2a8dd8b30b8558c708986b467f217f3bc9a2d7074b1aa6371b904cd) - _"Mark W. Eichin" \<eichin@cygnus.com\>_
+    + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 11:54:35 PST) - [Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/1d10e7455e063b19a7a6bd837a6b7e59eed3b1b07afcae6a41fbdf97762c41ae) - _phr@napa.Telebit.COM (Paul Rubin)_
+      + 1992-11-30 (Mon, 30 Nov 92 12:09:44 PST) - [Secure Key exchange](/archive/1992/11/04625b133f92826c11dc92170e94177288ece14f81479e5348e1bc125f27afca) - _"Mark W. Eichin" \<eichin@cygnus.com\>_
+

_emails/1992/11/76971c014275d8efcb6dd8fb0615b415d998c1127d4a7e6cffe07a4200719d25.md

@@ -77,4 +77,5 @@ immortalcybercomputinglaissezfaire		     |
 
 + 1992-11-20 (Fri, 20 Nov 92 00:29:17 PST) - [Re: How far is to far?](/archive/1992/11/3b6366284db0eced9f4c4c1bb741a2a453f105b12f9222da583e5636cffbf0b4) - _George A. Gleason \<gg@well.sf.ca.us\>_
   + 1992-11-20 (Fri, 20 Nov 92 04:11:08 PST) - Re: How far is to far? - _miron@extropia.wimsey.com (Miron Cuperman)_
+  + 1992-11-20 (Fri, 20 Nov 92 14:19:20 PST) - ["Young Men's Crypto Association," (YMCA)](/archive/1992/11/b6a8e8cd4e1615ad297729261a7b4769c7fa69dd57669d3420229bac2e7f1c6f) - _tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)_