diff --git a/common/bolt12.c b/common/bolt12.c
index 8768d7bcb..f284fcd6c 100644
--- a/common/bolt12.c
+++ b/common/bolt12.c
@@ -166,27 +166,6 @@ struct tlv_offer *offer_decode(const tal_t *ctx,
 			       const struct feature_set *our_features,
 			       const struct chainparams *must_be_chain,
 			       char **fail)
-{
-	struct tlv_offer *offer;
-
-	offer = offer_decode_nosig(ctx, b12, b12len,
-				   our_features, must_be_chain, fail);
-
-	if (offer) {
-		*fail = check_signature(ctx, offer->fields,
-					"offer", "signature",
-					offer->node_id, offer->signature);
-		if (*fail)
-			offer = tal_free(offer);
-	}
-	return offer;
-}
-
-struct tlv_offer *offer_decode_nosig(const tal_t *ctx,
-				     const char *b12, size_t b12len,
-				     const struct feature_set *our_features,
-				     const struct chainparams *must_be_chain,
-				     char **fail)
 {
 	struct tlv_offer *offer = tlv_offer_new(ctx);
 	const u8 *data;
@@ -208,6 +187,19 @@ struct tlv_offer *offer_decode_nosig(const tal_t *ctx,
 	if (*fail)
 		return tal_free(offer);
 
+	/* BOLT-offers #12:
+	 * - if `signature` is present, but is not a valid signature using
+	 *   `node_id` as described in [Signature Calculation](#signature-calculation):
+	 *   - MUST NOT respond to the offer.
+	 */
+	if (offer->signature) {
+		*fail = check_signature(ctx, offer->fields,
+					"offer", "signature",
+					offer->node_id, offer->signature);
+		if (*fail)
+			return tal_free(offer);
+	}
+
 	return offer;
 }
 
diff --git a/common/bolt12.h b/common/bolt12.h
index d4e836bf7..a136e1730 100644
--- a/common/bolt12.h
+++ b/common/bolt12.h
@@ -33,20 +33,13 @@ char *offer_encode(const tal_t *ctx, const struct tlv_offer *bolt12_tlv);
  * @must_be_chain: if non-NULL, chain to enforce.
  * @fail: pointer to descriptive error string, set if this returns NULL.
  *
- * Note: checks signature!
+ * Note: checks signature if present.
  */
 struct tlv_offer *offer_decode(const tal_t *ctx, const char *b12, size_t b12len,
 			       const struct feature_set *our_features,
 			       const struct chainparams *must_be_chain,
 			       char **fail);
 
-/* Variant which does not check signature */
-struct tlv_offer *offer_decode_nosig(const tal_t *ctx,
-				     const char *b12, size_t b12len,
-				     const struct feature_set *our_features,
-				     const struct chainparams *must_be_chain,
-				     char **fail);
-
 /**
  * invrequest_encode - encode this complete bolt12 invreq TLV into text.
  */
diff --git a/devtools/bolt12-cli.c b/devtools/bolt12-cli.c
index a006943e6..8822b8546 100644
--- a/devtools/bolt12-cli.c
+++ b/devtools/bolt12-cli.c
@@ -481,8 +481,8 @@ int main(int argc, char *argv[])
 
 	if (streq(hrp, "lno")) {
 		const struct tlv_offer *offer
-			= offer_decode_nosig(ctx, argv[2], strlen(argv[2]),
-					     NULL, NULL, &fail);
+			= offer_decode(ctx, argv[2], strlen(argv[2]),
+				       NULL, NULL, &fail);
 		if (!offer)
 			errx(ERROR_BAD_DECODE, "Bad offer: %s", fail);
 
@@ -517,7 +517,7 @@ int main(int argc, char *argv[])
 			print_features(offer->features);
 		if (offer->paths)
 			print_blindedpaths(offer->paths, NULL);
-		if (must_have(offer, signature) && offer->node_id)
+		if (offer->signature && offer->node_id)
 			well_formed &= print_signature("offer", "signature",
 						       offer->fields,
 						       offer->node_id,
diff --git a/doc/lightning-decode.7 b/doc/lightning-decode.7
index 1ce806d50..f4cc5e031 100644
--- a/doc/lightning-decode.7
+++ b/doc/lightning-decode.7
@@ -35,10 +35,10 @@ If \fBtype\fR is "bolt12 offer", and \fBvalid\fR is \fItrue\fR:
 .IP \[bu]
 \fBnode_id\fR (pubkey32): x-only public key of the offering node
 .IP \[bu]
-\fBsignature\fR (bip340sig): BIP-340 signature of the \fInode_id\fR on this offer
-.IP \[bu]
 \fBdescription\fR (string): the description of the purpose of the offer
 .IP \[bu]
+\fBsignature\fR (bip340sig, optional): BIP-340 signature of the \fInode_id\fR on this offer
+.IP \[bu]
 \fBchains\fR (array of hexs, optional): which blockchains this offer is for (missing implies bitcoin mainnet only):
 .RS
 .IP \[bu]
@@ -414,4 +414,4 @@ Rusty Russell \fI<rusty@rustcorp.com.au\fR> is mainly responsible\.
 
 Main web site: \fIhttps://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning\fR
 
-\" SHA256STAMP:045cd00ad893483df132bdffd913049bfe43acb152a511accc9f17f87ba06a8d
+\" SHA256STAMP:cd54af7c631f06b3db72848cdf90951ceb14d89b8bca981dba69244cd2ddbae5
diff --git a/doc/lightning-decode.7.md b/doc/lightning-decode.7.md
index 7d1f28aa5..e0b62d39b 100644
--- a/doc/lightning-decode.7.md
+++ b/doc/lightning-decode.7.md
@@ -27,8 +27,8 @@ On success, an object is returned, containing:
 If **type** is "bolt12 offer", and **valid** is *true*:
   - **offer_id** (hex): the id of this offer (merkle hash of non-signature fields) (always 64 characters)
   - **node_id** (pubkey32): x-only public key of the offering node
-  - **signature** (bip340sig): BIP-340 signature of the *node_id* on this offer
   - **description** (string): the description of the purpose of the offer
+  - **signature** (bip340sig, optional): BIP-340 signature of the *node_id* on this offer
   - **chains** (array of hexs, optional): which blockchains this offer is for (missing implies bitcoin mainnet only):
     - the genesis blockhash (always 64 characters)
   - **currency** (string, optional): ISO 4217 code of the currency (missing implies Bitcoin) (always 3 characters)
@@ -183,4 +183,4 @@ RESOURCES
 
 Main web site: <https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning>
 
-[comment]: # ( SHA256STAMP:f0adee97f3b5776059252703efee1b8e244c1141f9f3dd5fe73e3d7ed4d59ab4)
+[comment]: # ( SHA256STAMP:8ca0b9178b8ea6575cd80291001263dc27f721664648086a7c1a02efcb545ee7)
diff --git a/doc/lightning-disableoffer.7 b/doc/lightning-disableoffer.7
index df88f5921..99bbd0af3 100644
--- a/doc/lightning-disableoffer.7
+++ b/doc/lightning-disableoffer.7
@@ -48,6 +48,8 @@ On success, an object is returned, containing:
 .IP \[bu]
 \fBbolt12\fR (string): The bolt12 string representing this offer
 .IP \[bu]
+\fBbolt12_unsigned\fR (string): The bolt12 string representing this offer, without signature
+.IP \[bu]
 \fBused\fR (boolean): Whether the offer has had an invoice paid / payment made
 .IP \[bu]
 \fBlabel\fR (string, optional): The label provided when offer was created
@@ -78,4 +80,4 @@ Rusty Russell \fI<rusty@rustcorp.com.au\fR> is mainly responsible\.
 
 Main web site: \fIhttps://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning\fR
 
-\" SHA256STAMP:03b1a12409ad02eca1543d99bafdfbd2d7d2c869e182fba513e3f93fb48a7664
+\" SHA256STAMP:2383f44a3bcc1023d6619f5ead4c27d7b2bd9a52bd64d00142fd26658a49dd32
diff --git a/doc/lightning-disableoffer.7.md b/doc/lightning-disableoffer.7.md
index 32f6fb66d..396151ba2 100644
--- a/doc/lightning-disableoffer.7.md
+++ b/doc/lightning-disableoffer.7.md
@@ -40,6 +40,7 @@ On success, an object is returned, containing:
 - **active** (boolean): Whether the offer can produce invoices/payments (always "false")
 - **single_use** (boolean): Whether the offer is disabled after first successful use
 - **bolt12** (string): The bolt12 string representing this offer
+- **bolt12_unsigned** (string): The bolt12 string representing this offer, without signature
 - **used** (boolean): Whether the offer has had an invoice paid / payment made
 - **label** (string, optional): The label provided when offer was created
 [comment]: # (GENERATE-FROM-SCHEMA-END)
@@ -72,4 +73,4 @@ RESOURCES
 ---------
 
 Main web site: <https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning>
-[comment]: # ( SHA256STAMP:abf340bf35dcefd42fba609b3ae95adb2f74bb5766c68e174a9b8f9114c80202)
+[comment]: # ( SHA256STAMP:5b96eca3e35f6c556b93db1743c617b59e69058c9421ece9cc99a9c8814c176b)
diff --git a/doc/lightning-listoffers.7 b/doc/lightning-listoffers.7
index 383c855cc..c06b4403d 100644
--- a/doc/lightning-listoffers.7
+++ b/doc/lightning-listoffers.7
@@ -41,6 +41,8 @@ On success, an object containing \fBoffers\fR is returned\.  It is an array of o
 .IP \[bu]
 \fBbolt12\fR (string): the bolt12 encoding of the offer
 .IP \[bu]
+\fBbolt12_unsigned\fR (string): the bolt12 encoding of the offer, without signature
+.IP \[bu]
 \fBused\fR (boolean): True if an associated invoice has been paid
 .IP \[bu]
 \fBlabel\fR (string, optional): the (optional) user-specified label
@@ -82,4 +84,4 @@ Rusty Russell \fI<rusty@rustcorp.com.au\fR> is mainly responsible\.
 
 Main web site: \fIhttps://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning\fR
 
-\" SHA256STAMP:7e359219084e648a629b0d43774db17bbfbe693074b817fa5890b7c8bccd1429
+\" SHA256STAMP:bf83e52cc56aaef876eb1039a6fbbcd9d2e15703c54f33163176c7ba41523261
diff --git a/doc/lightning-listoffers.7.md b/doc/lightning-listoffers.7.md
index b772fb6f4..0ae49761a 100644
--- a/doc/lightning-listoffers.7.md
+++ b/doc/lightning-listoffers.7.md
@@ -35,6 +35,7 @@ On success, an object containing **offers** is returned.  It is an array of obje
 - **active** (boolean): whether this can still be used
 - **single_use** (boolean): whether this expires as soon as it's paid
 - **bolt12** (string): the bolt12 encoding of the offer
+- **bolt12_unsigned** (string): the bolt12 encoding of the offer, without signature
 - **used** (boolean): True if an associated invoice has been paid
 - **label** (string, optional): the (optional) user-specified label
 [comment]: # (GENERATE-FROM-SCHEMA-END)
@@ -78,4 +79,4 @@ RESOURCES
 ---------
 
 Main web site: <https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning>
-[comment]: # ( SHA256STAMP:58e9f5aa5808e19e3be151b1c1f1215ec23953b60ab294418aa57426c5bcbd46)
+[comment]: # ( SHA256STAMP:e2b8508c98e6161c45fca91bceb273e6c2865cec0e1761dde85f8f2dd6670491)
diff --git a/doc/lightning-offer.7 b/doc/lightning-offer.7
index eae6ebb78..ee94a4194 100644
--- a/doc/lightning-offer.7
+++ b/doc/lightning-offer.7
@@ -15,6 +15,11 @@ creating one or more invoices\.  It automatically enables the processing of
 an incoming invoice_request, and issuing of invoices\.
 
 
+Note that it creates two variants of the offer: a signed and an
+unsigned one (which is smaller)\.  Wallets should accept both: the
+current specification allows either\.
+
+
 The \fIamount\fR parameter can be the string "any", which creates an offer
 that can be paid with any amount (e\.g\. a donation)\.  Otherwise it can
 be a positive value in millisatoshi precision; it can be a whole
@@ -112,6 +117,8 @@ On success, an object is returned, containing:
 .IP \[bu]
 \fBbolt12\fR (string): the bolt12 encoding of the offer
 .IP \[bu]
+\fBbolt12_unsigned\fR (string): the bolt12 encoding of the offer, without a signature
+.IP \[bu]
 \fBused\fR (boolean): True if an associated invoice has been paid (always \fIfalse\fR)
 .IP \[bu]
 \fBlabel\fR (string, optional): the (optional) user-specified label
@@ -145,4 +152,4 @@ Rusty Russell \fI<rusty@rustcorp.com.au\fR> is mainly responsible\.
 
 Main web site: \fIhttps://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning\fR
 
-\" SHA256STAMP:fdc65b544ee660ef7afafb13bc727b859411df072739c4b22973fbc870d785f2
+\" SHA256STAMP:f7faf86c7cb052200c3b4d6e3d6209afa54600cc7a33e1082583a2766d02a275
diff --git a/doc/lightning-offer.7.md b/doc/lightning-offer.7.md
index b223c8130..d739ad02a 100644
--- a/doc/lightning-offer.7.md
+++ b/doc/lightning-offer.7.md
@@ -15,6 +15,10 @@ The **offer** RPC command creates an offer, which is a precursor to
 creating one or more invoices.  It automatically enables the processing of
 an incoming invoice_request, and issuing of invoices.
 
+Note that it creates two variants of the offer: a signed and an
+unsigned one (which is smaller).  Wallets should accept both: the
+current specification allows either.
+
 The *amount* parameter can be the string "any", which creates an offer
 that can be paid with any amount (e.g. a donation).  Otherwise it can
 be a positive value in millisatoshi precision; it can be a whole
@@ -95,6 +99,7 @@ On success, an object is returned, containing:
 - **active** (boolean): whether this can still be used (always *true*)
 - **single_use** (boolean): whether this expires as soon as it's paid (reflects the *single_use* parameter)
 - **bolt12** (string): the bolt12 encoding of the offer
+- **bolt12_unsigned** (string): the bolt12 encoding of the offer, without a signature
 - **used** (boolean): True if an associated invoice has been paid (always *false*)
 - **label** (string, optional): the (optional) user-specified label
 [comment]: # (GENERATE-FROM-SCHEMA-END)
@@ -123,4 +128,4 @@ RESOURCES
 
 Main web site: <https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning>
 
-[comment]: # ( SHA256STAMP:20c0be7bad73fcf71ccae61c2c5a112c8602216d9d2e9f647f8273fdf4e3ed8b)
+[comment]: # ( SHA256STAMP:0f9cfd3cc68aaba20af0eee763c93b475016619d960e3f5bbc0b762a809f0fef)
diff --git a/doc/lightning-offerout.7 b/doc/lightning-offerout.7
index 3aa770286..a0317f5da 100644
--- a/doc/lightning-offerout.7
+++ b/doc/lightning-offerout.7
@@ -17,6 +17,11 @@ offer)\.  It automatically enables the accepting and payment of
 corresponding invoice message (we will only pay once, however!)\.
 
 
+Note that it creates two variants of the offer: a signed and an
+unsigned one (which is smaller)\.  Wallets should accept both: the
+current specification allows either\.
+
+
 The \fIamount\fR parameter can be the string "any", which creates an offer
 that can be paid with any amount (e\.g\. a donation)\.  Otherwise it can
 be a positive value in millisatoshi precision; it can be a whole
@@ -64,6 +69,8 @@ On success, an object is returned, containing:
 .IP \[bu]
 \fBbolt12\fR (string): the bolt12 encoding of the offer
 .IP \[bu]
+\fBbolt12_unsigned\fR (string): the bolt12 encoding of the offer, without a signature
+.IP \[bu]
 \fBused\fR (boolean): True if an incoming invoice has been paid (always \fIfalse\fR)
 .IP \[bu]
 \fBlabel\fR (string, optional): the (optional) user-specified label
@@ -106,4 +113,4 @@ Rusty Russell \fI<rusty@rustcorp.com.au\fR> is mainly responsible\.
 
 Main web site: \fIhttps://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning\fR
 
-\" SHA256STAMP:823219aff5dc06ab3b810442048b6cf733210c3eae80567327dc396e5f7987c8
+\" SHA256STAMP:3de11c6de7905322d9ef748981fc1d4f9ca91f4be46d76af6e9124572853047d
diff --git a/doc/lightning-offerout.7.md b/doc/lightning-offerout.7.md
index 859e9260a..5fa92266e 100644
--- a/doc/lightning-offerout.7.md
+++ b/doc/lightning-offerout.7.md
@@ -18,6 +18,10 @@ send an invoice for us to pay (technically, this is referred to as a
 offer).  It automatically enables the accepting and payment of
 corresponding invoice message (we will only pay once, however!).
 
+Note that it creates two variants of the offer: a signed and an
+unsigned one (which is smaller).  Wallets should accept both: the
+current specification allows either.
+
 The *amount* parameter can be the string "any", which creates an offer
 that can be paid with any amount (e.g. a donation).  Otherwise it can
 be a positive value in millisatoshi precision; it can be a whole
@@ -55,6 +59,7 @@ On success, an object is returned, containing:
 - **active** (boolean): whether this will pay a matching incoming invoice (always *true*)
 - **single_use** (boolean): whether this expires as soon as it's paid out (always *true*)
 - **bolt12** (string): the bolt12 encoding of the offer
+- **bolt12_unsigned** (string): the bolt12 encoding of the offer, without a signature
 - **used** (boolean): True if an incoming invoice has been paid (always *false*)
 - **label** (string, optional): the (optional) user-specified label
 [comment]: # (GENERATE-FROM-SCHEMA-END)
@@ -92,4 +97,4 @@ RESOURCES
 
 Main web site: <https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning>
 
-[comment]: # ( SHA256STAMP:6db3fdba07f376e697326b3bf1bd74c013084a459cb9f4fe76d23fce58bd58fe)
+[comment]: # ( SHA256STAMP:2b7e7b543a88a10dbfbca2508e034af79f43ed0845abdb9df1fdf7e28ee33c26)
diff --git a/doc/schemas/decode.schema.json b/doc/schemas/decode.schema.json
index f76db5357..ad168d24e 100644
--- a/doc/schemas/decode.schema.json
+++ b/doc/schemas/decode.schema.json
@@ -28,7 +28,7 @@
 		}
 	    },
 	    "then": {
-		"required": [ "offer_id", "node_id", "signature", "description" ],
+		"required": [ "offer_id", "node_id", "description" ],
 		"additionalProperties": false,
 		"properties": {
 		    "type": { },
diff --git a/doc/schemas/disableoffer.schema.json b/doc/schemas/disableoffer.schema.json
index 6b745c8b7..07e177bc4 100644
--- a/doc/schemas/disableoffer.schema.json
+++ b/doc/schemas/disableoffer.schema.json
@@ -1,7 +1,7 @@
 {
     "$schema": "http://json-schema.org/draft-07/schema#",
     "type": "object",
-    "required": [ "offer_id", "active", "single_use", "bolt12", "used" ],
+    "required": [ "offer_id", "active", "single_use", "bolt12", "bolt12_unsigned", "used" ],
     "additionalProperties": false,
     "properties": {
 	"offer_id": {
@@ -23,6 +23,10 @@
 	    "type": "string",
 	    "description": "The bolt12 string representing this offer"
 	},
+	"bolt12_unsigned": {
+	    "type": "string",
+	    "description": "The bolt12 string representing this offer, without signature"
+	},
 	"used": {
 	    "type": "boolean",
 	    "description": "Whether the offer has had an invoice paid / payment made"
diff --git a/doc/schemas/listoffers.schema.json b/doc/schemas/listoffers.schema.json
index 9c6caa101..b7f21d112 100644
--- a/doc/schemas/listoffers.schema.json
+++ b/doc/schemas/listoffers.schema.json
@@ -9,7 +9,7 @@
 	    "items": {
 		"type": "object",
 		"additionalProperties": false,
-		"required": [ "offer_id", "active", "single_use", "bolt12", "used" ],
+		"required": [ "offer_id", "active", "single_use", "bolt12", "bolt12_unsigned", "used" ],
 		"properties": {
 		    "offer_id": {
 			"type": "hex",
@@ -29,6 +29,10 @@
 			"type": "string",
 			"description": "the bolt12 encoding of the offer"
 		    },
+		    "bolt12_unsigned": {
+			"type": "string",
+			"description": "the bolt12 encoding of the offer, without signature"
+		    },
 		    "used": {
 			"type": "boolean",
 			"description": "True if an associated invoice has been paid"
diff --git a/doc/schemas/offer.schema.json b/doc/schemas/offer.schema.json
index 2c0e70001..83f7c4e5b 100644
--- a/doc/schemas/offer.schema.json
+++ b/doc/schemas/offer.schema.json
@@ -2,7 +2,7 @@
     "$schema": "http://json-schema.org/draft-07/schema#",
     "type": "object",
     "additionalProperties": false,
-    "required": [ "offer_id", "active", "single_use", "bolt12", "used" ],
+    "required": [ "offer_id", "active", "single_use", "bolt12", "bolt12_unsigned", "used" ],
     "properties": {
 	"offer_id": {
 	    "type": "hex",
@@ -23,6 +23,10 @@
 	    "type": "string",
 	    "description": "the bolt12 encoding of the offer"
 	},
+	"bolt12_unsigned": {
+	    "type": "string",
+	    "description": "the bolt12 encoding of the offer, without a signature"
+	},
 	"used": {
 	    "type": "boolean",
 	    "enum": [ false ],
diff --git a/doc/schemas/offerout.schema.json b/doc/schemas/offerout.schema.json
index 6c0886772..03d98aeeb 100644
--- a/doc/schemas/offerout.schema.json
+++ b/doc/schemas/offerout.schema.json
@@ -2,7 +2,7 @@
     "$schema": "http://json-schema.org/draft-07/schema#",
     "type": "object",
     "additionalProperties": false,
-    "required": [ "offer_id", "active", "single_use", "bolt12", "used" ],
+    "required": [ "offer_id", "active", "single_use", "bolt12", "bolt12_unsigned", "used" ],
     "properties": {
 	"offer_id": {
 	    "type": "hex",
@@ -24,6 +24,10 @@
 	    "type": "string",
 	    "description": "the bolt12 encoding of the offer"
 	},
+	"bolt12_unsigned": {
+	    "type": "string",
+	    "description": "the bolt12 encoding of the offer, without a signature"
+	},
 	"used": {
 	    "type": "boolean",
 	    "enum": [ false ],
diff --git a/lightningd/offer.c b/lightningd/offer.c
index 4cb993707..f63531c7b 100644
--- a/lightningd/offer.c
+++ b/lightningd/offer.c
@@ -14,6 +14,7 @@
 static void json_populate_offer(struct json_stream *response,
 				const struct sha256 *offer_id,
 				const char *b12,
+				const char *b12_nosig,
 				const struct json_escape *label,
 				enum offer_status status)
 {
@@ -21,6 +22,8 @@ static void json_populate_offer(struct json_stream *response,
 	json_add_bool(response, "active", offer_status_active(status));
 	json_add_bool(response, "single_use", offer_status_single(status));
 	json_add_string(response, "bolt12", b12);
+	if (b12_nosig)
+		json_add_string(response, "bolt12_unsigned", b12_nosig);
 	json_add_bool(response, "used", offer_status_used(status));
 	if (label)
 		json_add_escaped_string(response, "label", label);
@@ -33,9 +36,9 @@ static struct command_result *param_b12_offer(struct command *cmd,
 					      struct tlv_offer **offer)
 {
 	char *fail;
-	*offer = offer_decode_nosig(cmd, buffer + tok->start,
-				    tok->end - tok->start,
-				    cmd->ld->our_features, chainparams, &fail);
+	*offer = offer_decode(cmd, buffer + tok->start,
+			      tok->end - tok->start,
+			      cmd->ld->our_features, chainparams, &fail);
 	if (!*offer)
 		return command_fail_badparam(cmd, name, buffer, tok, fail);
 	if ((*offer)->signature)
@@ -83,7 +86,7 @@ static struct command_result *json_createoffer(struct command *cmd,
 	struct json_escape *label;
 	struct tlv_offer *offer;
 	struct sha256 merkle;
-	const char *b12str;
+	const char *b12str, *b12str_nosig;
 	bool *single_use;
 	enum offer_status status;
 	struct pubkey32 key;
@@ -112,9 +115,11 @@ static struct command_result *json_createoffer(struct command *cmd,
 				    OFFER_ALREADY_EXISTS,
 				    "Duplicate offer");
 	}
+	offer->signature = tal_free(offer->signature);
+	b12str_nosig = offer_encode(cmd, offer);
 
 	response = json_stream_success(cmd);
-	json_populate_offer(response, &merkle, b12str, label, status);
+	json_populate_offer(response, &merkle, b12str, b12str_nosig, label, status);
 	return command_success(cmd, response);
 }
 
@@ -126,6 +131,25 @@ static const struct json_command createoffer_command = {
 };
 AUTODATA(json_command, &createoffer_command);
 
+/* We store strings in the db, so removing signatures is easiest by conversion */
+static const char *offer_str_nosig(const tal_t *ctx,
+				   struct lightningd *ld,
+				   const char *b12str)
+{
+	char *fail;
+	struct tlv_offer *offer = offer_decode(tmpctx, b12str, strlen(b12str),
+					       ld->our_features, chainparams,
+					       &fail);
+
+	if (!offer) {
+		log_broken(ld->log, "Cannot reparse offerstr from db %s: %s",
+			   b12str, fail);
+		return NULL;
+	}
+	offer->signature = tal_free(offer->signature);
+	return offer_encode(ctx, offer);
+}
+
 static struct command_result *json_listoffers(struct command *cmd,
 					       const char *buffer,
 					       const jsmntok_t *obj UNNEEDED,
@@ -153,7 +177,9 @@ static struct command_result *json_listoffers(struct command *cmd,
 		if (b12 && offer_status_active(status) >= *active_only) {
 			json_object_start(response, NULL);
 			json_populate_offer(response,
-					    offer_id, b12, label, status);
+					    offer_id, b12,
+					    offer_str_nosig(tmpctx, cmd->ld, b12),
+					    label, status);
 			json_object_end(response);
 		}
 	} else {
@@ -168,7 +194,10 @@ static struct command_result *json_listoffers(struct command *cmd,
 			if (offer_status_active(status) >= *active_only) {
 				json_object_start(response, NULL);
 				json_populate_offer(response,
-						    &id, b12, label, status);
+						    &id, b12,
+						    offer_str_nosig(tmpctx,
+								    cmd->ld, b12),
+						    label, status);
 				json_object_end(response);
 			}
 		}
@@ -213,7 +242,10 @@ static struct command_result *json_disableoffer(struct command *cmd,
 	status = wallet_offer_disable(wallet, offer_id, status);
 
 	response = json_stream_success(cmd);
-	json_populate_offer(response, offer_id, b12, label, status);
+	json_populate_offer(response, offer_id, b12,
+			    offer_str_nosig(tmpctx,
+					    cmd->ld, b12),
+			    label, status);
 	return command_success(cmd, response);
 }
 
diff --git a/tests/test_pay.py b/tests/test_pay.py
index 881fb5c7f..0211d42da 100644
--- a/tests/test_pay.py
+++ b/tests/test_pay.py
@@ -3823,6 +3823,7 @@ def test_offer(node_factory, bitcoind):
         offer = only_one(l1.rpc.call('listoffers', [ret['offer_id']])['offers'])
 
         assert offer['bolt12'] == ret['bolt12']
+        assert offer['bolt12_unsigned'] == ret['bolt12_unsigned']
         assert offer['offer_id'] == ret['offer_id']
 
         output = subprocess.check_output([bolt12tool, 'decode',
@@ -3831,6 +3832,12 @@ def test_offer(node_factory, bitcoind):
             assert 'amount' not in output
         else:
             assert 'amount' in output
+        output = subprocess.check_output([bolt12tool, 'decode',
+                                          offer['bolt12_unsigned']]).decode('ASCII')
+        if amount == 'any':
+            assert 'amount' not in output
+        else:
+            assert 'amount' in output
 
     # Try wrong amount precision:
     with pytest.raises(RpcError, match='Currency AUD requires 2 minor units'):
@@ -3985,7 +3992,7 @@ def test_fetchinvoice(node_factory, bitcoind):
                                    'description': 'simple test'})
 
     inv1 = l1.rpc.call('fetchinvoice', {'offer': offer1['bolt12']})
-    inv2 = l1.rpc.call('fetchinvoice', {'offer': offer1['bolt12']})
+    inv2 = l1.rpc.call('fetchinvoice', {'offer': offer1['bolt12_unsigned']})
     assert inv1 != inv2
     assert 'next_period' not in inv1
     assert 'next_period' not in inv2
@@ -4244,9 +4251,8 @@ def test_sendinvoice(node_factory, bitcoind):
     assert only_one(l1.rpc.call('listoffers', [offer['offer_id']])['offers'])['used'] is False
 
     # sendinvoice should work.
-    out = l2.rpc.call('sendinvoice', {'offer': offer['bolt12'],
+    out = l2.rpc.call('sendinvoice', {'offer': offer['bolt12_unsigned'],
                                       'label': 'test sendinvoice 1'})
-    print(out)
     assert out['label'] == 'test sendinvoice 1'
     assert out['description'] == 'simple test'
     assert 'bolt12' in out